I think that would be a fair assessment Stonie, I like MIG, but he has cost me a coupla handfuls of hair, I hate to see him beat up all the time, but Mig as your bud, I wish you could show a little more respect, deserved or otherwise, it costs you little, and would help you gain the respect we would all like to give you, but you've gotta give it, to get it. This deal likely "ain't gonna happen", although in my heart of hearts, I would love to see the J-15 and the J-20 with OVT, as long as they're nice guys and play fair. AND sprayin black goo on the Su-35 ain't gonna make it disappear, unless you land in a tar pit, otherwise, we would all be flying airplanes covered in black goo, so lets stick to reality here on the Sino Defense Forum???? brat