Chinese purchase of Su-35

MiG-29 said:

Since you are not Vladimir Vikulin of Orpe Tekhnologya and hardly know about nano technologies well i can expect this live in your dreams no need to argue, i will believe a real Chief designer of a nano technology company working on PAKFA rather than a white noise poster without any credentials in the real world

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hahaha.


Mig-29 you are just too funny. How can Nano tech make PAK-FA stealth ?? Everyone knows it is the shape that matters the most !!

While there might be slim chance (less than 20%), that China will buy 24 Su-35. It is however, impossible for PAK-FA to have a tennis ball size RCS !!



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MiG-29 said:

Since you are not Vladimir Vikulin of Orpe Tekhnologya and hardly know about nano technologies well i can expect this live in your dreams no need to argue, i will believe a real Chief designer of a nano technology company working on PAKFA rather than a white noise poster without any credentials in the real world.

Vyacheslav Samsonov is a real deputy director of Stelko who does work in nano technology an d coatings who has more credentials than you and he works in PAKFA

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Can you explain to me how nanotechnology helps stealth?

All these talks about stealth are distraction. The Russians can claim whatever they want, but the solid fact that Su-35 has absolutely no export order despite being actively market shows the aircraft is no good.

vesicles said:

Can you explain to me how nanotechnology helps stealth?

Btw, be careful what you say because I knew Richard Smalley in person and has collaborated with his lab on nanotechnology...

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Saddly no i can not, only Vladimir Vikulin of Orpe Tekhnologya and Vyacheslav Samsonov deputy director of Stelko can do it of how it works in Su-35 or PAKFA since they are the real designers, me, i do not know about RAM coatings, however on the net you hear many myths that PAKFA has not turbine blades coverings or a straight duct that is not true, Russia Today says they do, however the Russians are using nano technologies to reduce the Su-35 RCS to the size of a football.

How they do it, no i do not know.

MiG-29 said:

Saddly no i can not, only Vladimir Vikulin of Orpe Tekhnologya and Vyacheslav Samsonov deputy director of Stelko can do it of how it works in Su-35 or PAKFA since they are the real designers, me, i do not know about RAM coatings, however on the net you hear many myths that PAKFA has not turbine blades coverings or a straight duct that is not true, Russia Today says they do, however the Russians are using nano technologies to reduce the Su-35 RCS to the size of a football.

How they do it, no i do not know.

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Thanks.

The only thing I can think of is as ram. The nasty thing about nanotechnology is its toxicity. Some of the nanostructures are very toxic. Compared to them, cyanite looks like candy bars. For other nanoparticles, no one knows how toxic these nanoparticles can be and no one wants to find out... I don't know how safe it is to spray the entire plane with the stuff. We used to have to handle them with super care. The term nanotechnology is flashy, but actually using it is completely different.

Also, the use of the term nanotechnology can be confusing sometimes. Strictly speaking, the true nanoparticles should be built with C-60. However, many people think that as long as they use something small, they can call it nanotechnology. To sound sexy, so to speak... So we don't know if they are actually using nanotubes on PAK-FA.

MiG-29 said:

you can justify it, but still an opinion, not a fact yet, you have said it

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My opinion is based on repeated observations of Russian media claiming one thing and the opposite thing happening. It is based on observation of available data. If the pattern persists, it may become a theory.

MiG-29 said:

next time learn Russian and update your sources

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I found a source from Russian state newspaper that stated otherwise of your claim, that is good enough for me. My sources is Russian newspaper, not Chinese, not the European and certainly not Singapore newspaper, but Russian source.

So you tell me that some of the Russian supposedly national sources are also full of BS? Is that it? Or are you saying that the authority in Russia are lying? If not... why would they say one thing then contradict themselves and say another? Really confusing.

So if the Russian source are not accurate like you have mentioned (always contradicting, one month it said no deal, not even talks, the next they say talks are going on... and this go on and on and on...) then I really think none of us should bother with you and the russian source because all are nothing but mere BS.

siegecrossbow said:

My opinion is based on repeated observations of Russian media claiming one thing and the opposite thing happening. It is based on observation of available data. If the pattern persists, it may become a theory.

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That is your opinion, i do not know if you can see not all the people share your opinion.
As such is just an opinion

rhino123 said:

I found a source from Russian state newspaper that stated otherwise of your claim, .

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When you understand what is ROSTEC we talk

Rostec is a Russian "state corporation" and not some newspaper - ,

We'll see next year whether the the deal will materialize. If negotiations are still 'on-going' then they could collapse due many reasons.