antiterror13
Brigadier
Nobody disputes the importance of twin engine fighter. Does it have to be overrated SU-35 ?
Chinese purchase of Su-35
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Nobody disputes the importance of twin engine fighter. Does it have to be overrated SU-35 ?
antiterror13
Brigadier
Perhaps in SAM tech (S-400/500), but no in hell in radar tech, China is far ahead of Russia now
My question is... why? Why was it important for china to deploy at least 60% of its fighter fleet with twin engine aircraft? If by twin engine you mean long range, then maybe true, but... not all twin engine fighters are long range - for example, the basic F-18 are not known for range and it is twin engine.
To be accurate, China might need long range fighters, however they might not need 60% of the entire fleet of fighters to be long range, with introduction of her aircraft carriers, she could carry shorter range fighters across to nearer to her offshore islands to provide air defence.
As for flying in the country itself, J-10/ J-10B is enough for the role.
Dizasta1
Senior Member
Certainly not ...... I am hoping that China has been able to tackle the WS-10A production, performance and endurance issues. I've always wanted China's fighter-jets to be made in China, powered by Chinese engines, armed with Chinese missiles and eyes with Chinese radars. Though the Su-35BM is a very good fighter-jet, it is not one for China. I would rather see China designing and producing high-performance, superior-quality engines like the WS-10As, WS-13s and WS-15s, that power the JF-17 Thunders, J-10B Vigorous Dragons and the J-20 Black Eagles. The sooner China has mastered and conquered producing high-performance engines, the sooner China would witness and increased demand in the Global Military Market for its fighter-jets, military-cargo planes, gunship-helicopters and other auxiliary aircraft.
Dizasta1
Senior Member
Agreed, J-10B is certainly the type of fighter that PLAAF should have in a significantly large quantity to form the backbone of the Air Force's fighter-jet fleet. Along with J-11B, the J-10B would form a very good combination to establish PLAAF's Air-Dominance over Chinese Air-Space, both over land and sea. Also, the 60% was in reference to the part of PLAAF's fleet, which is dedicated to Air-Superiority, not the entire PLAAF fighter-jet fleet.
So long as China is able to produce powerful AESA radars to be incorporated in J-10Bs and J-11Bs, and so long as those two fighter-jets are powered by high-performance, maintenance-efficient WS-10A Taihang engines ....... I would rather that the mainstay of PLAAF be the J-10B and J-11B, augmented by relatively smaller, but potent J-20, F-60 force.
If you read my post in the J-10 thread, you would know what my emphasis is on.
Yes, the J-11B and J-10B compliment each other well to provide a Hi-Lo combinition.
However J-11B and J-10B should not be the only aircraft type (not counting the J-20), you are forgetting the aircrafts carriers, which in alot of scenarios that will occur in the forseeable future, such as defence of off-shore islands, support of China's interest overseas, etc. These call for the carrier borne fighters such as the J-15 or Su-33. Of course, I would like to see that the Chinese design and built their carrier borne fighters locally, but I would not be too close to any acquisition (should there be any) of Russian aircrafts too.
Hyperwarp
Captain
Kinda off-topic, but I definitely agree with you regarding the nuclear submarine quieting tech. When it comes to powerplants current T-50 prototypes are powered by 147kN 117 engines, not to be confused with the 142kN 117S on the Su-35. Plus, large powerplants for Transport A/C, Commercial A/C, heavy-lift helos like Mi-26 and so on. The Russians have plenty of stuff RIGHT NOW that PRC doesn't have. But this doesn't mean PRC won't get there one day.
Yes you are right on the heavy lift helos, however they are not on the same level as submarine quieting tech, because I think helo tech is more of open source dual use technology where China can get many help from all over the world, but for submarine tech, it is almost exclusively military technology, they are locked up more tightly so China would have no choice but to develop it is own rather than learn it. This is probably the reason that I read their latest nuclear sub is only approaching the Russia sub of 1980s.
