Chinese purchase of Su-35

As usual, another BS article. Notice it says the Russian delegate want to make a representation, that does not mean Chinese are interested, but they will hear the delegation out simply out of respect for them to travel that far. This is all one sided info from the Russia, the Chinese never even confirm anything about this.

Then you this

high ranking member of the Russian delegation said relatively slow progress with next-generation Chinese fighter designs has led Beijing to seek ways to purchase a quantity of the best Russian fighters to bridge the gap.

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wow, even more bigger load of BS right there. China's J-20 is making good progress from what can see in public, it is already progressing to aviation integration. Not sure what stage of T-50's testing is in right now.

Then you this

The more recent PAK-FA (T-50) is not considered sufficiently mature to be offered to China. Russia is working with India on the customised FGFA, but this is a co-development programme - an arrangement not available to China.

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Again.... even more BS, it make is sound like Chinese wants the T-50, but the Russian refuse them out of snub, did it forget to mention Russia invited China to join the project in the beginning and China was the one that refuse the offer? Because they are confident they can make something better on their own? And as usual, a cheap stab at China's 5th gen progress, but no mention whatsoever about the slowing progress of T-50.

And lastly.

Moscow is ready to sell China a quantity of Su-35 fighters provided Beijing places a worthwhile order, "not merely a couple of specimens for reverse engineering"

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Even the Russia have jump onto the bandwagon of "China only know how to copy" BS, this is more of outright racism than journalism

Whole article from beginning to end is nothing but a pile of BS which has been recycled from when this rumor first got started. Can't believe people are still posting crap like this and call it "news".

The only Russian aviation piece worthy of exports is their engines. There's a 0.001% chance China will even consider Su-35s given the emergence of J-20 and J-31.

The only Russian aviation piece worthy of exports is their engines. There's a 0.001% chance China will even consider Su-35s given the emergence of J-20 and J-31.

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Their engines will be ready, by what time frame, 2020 ? Some russian industrial authority claims PAK FA final stage engine will be assembled in 2014. Given the chinese lagging in this field, 2020 is not unrealistic when it comes to the next generation chinese jet engines, production readiness.

samawat said:

Their engines will be ready, by what time frame, 2020 ? Some russian industrial authority claims PAK FA final stage engine will be assembled in 2014. Given the chinese lagging in this field, 2020 is not unrealistic when it comes to the next generation chinese jet engines, production readiness.

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What the hell are you talking about? First of all without any evidence you overestimate time line of Chinese engine development, then at the same time, you underestimate the timeline of Russian development to make it seems the difference between the two is huge.

There is absolutely NO evidence whatsoever WS-15 will only be ready in 2020. And yes, there is evidence that Pak Fa will be delayed until 2019



If you want to say something use a source, we don't appreciate talking out of thin air here, plenty of other forum for that.

And lastly, what does engine with 5th gen fighter have anything to do with China buying SU-35? And the key to 5th gen fighter is primarily focus on stealth and detection, not dog fighting, it can do in theory without a super high thrust engine.

It looks like Russian are pushing very hard on Su-35 fighter. They even send an acrobatic su-27 team. If I am not wrong, no team is sent last 2 years and they don't even bother to send engine and fighter display for their booths. This year they are full armed.

And yes, there is evidence that Pak Fa will be delayed until 2019

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That is indian version, the article is about. It differs from russian project. Production of first batch for thorough testing in VVS units will start in 2016

If you want to say something use a source, we don't appreciate talking out of thin air here, plenty of other forum for that

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Here is article in russian :

And lastly, what does engine with 5th gen fighter have anything to do with China buying SU-35? And the key to 5th gen fighter is primarily focus on stealth and detection, not dog fighting, it can do in theory without a super high thrust engine.

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It has to do with the claim, how chinese are not interested in su 35 since j 20 and j 31 are here. In fact, they are miles far from operational status, due to the troublesome chinese jet engine industry. Evgenyi Marchukov says izdelie 117 consists of 80 % new parts related to AL 31. So insight in such engine, fly by fibre system and PESA radar, would not be worthless for chinese engineers. Russians always set dogfight capabilities in their fighters operational requirements, so your statment is questionable. High trust engines in any case has much to do with supercruise, and reduction of required runway length, and these two are crucial when it comes to fifth generation fighter

It looks like Russian are pushing very hard on Su-35 fighter. They even send an acrobatic su-27 team. If I am not wrong, no team is sent last 2 years and they don't even bother to send engine and fighter display for their booths

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I think they have sent su 35 to Indonesia or something.Russians will not hold their breath upon chinese decision weather to buy su 35 or not. They have plenty of work for domestic air force. One is for sure, russia will not be scammed by selling china small batch of these fighters, so the chinese end up copying it or at least some technical or technological solutions. Days when chinese orders were crucial to russian military complex are long gone.

samawat said:

That is indian version, the article is about. It differs from russian project. Production of first batch for thorough testing in VVS units will start in 2016




Here is article in russian :

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It has to do with the claim, how chinese are not interested in su 35 since j 20 and j 31 are here. In fact, they are miles far from operational status, due to the troublesome chinese jet engine industry. Evgenyi Marchukov says izdelie 117 consists of 80 % new parts related to AL 31. So insight in such engine, fly by fibre system and PESA radar, would not be worthless for chinese engineers. Russians always set dogfight capabilities in their fighters operational requirements, so your statment is questionable. High trust engines in any case has much to do with supercruise, and reduction of required runway length, and these two are crucial when it comes to fifth generation fighter

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And you think that magically that India version got delayed and the Russian version will continue? No, it is more likely that the whole project is overrun on time and on budget. And if you actually followed the J-20 trend you can see it is progressing rather well, they are already doing aviation integration with the air craft, and they are dong very active test flights.

And trust me, China's own AESA, FBW and composite material is doing just fine, it is not lacking behind Russia a bit, in fact I wont' be surprised if it is actually ahead.

There is 0 question or indication or evidence that J-20 is facing problem or lacking behind T-50. In fact I'm betting you can't find evidence to that affect as well.

And tell me, just what is the corner stone of 5th gen? If not Stealth?

I'm still waiting for that 2020 number, please support whatever you want to say with a source.

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I think they have sent su 35 to Indonesia or something.Russians will not hold their breath upon chinese decision weather to buy su 35 or not. They have plenty of work for domestic air force. One is for sure, russia will not be scammed by selling china small batch of these fighters, so the chinese end up copying it or at least some technical or technological solutions. Days when chinese orders were crucial to russian military complex are long gone.

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Trust me, China is NOT holding it is breath on hoping the Russian selling them Su-35. The day when Chinese are depending on Russian military complex are LONG GONE.

And LOL about the scamming, it is Russian the ones wanting to sell, it is NOT the Chinese that wants to buy. This is a buyer's market my friend.

jackliu said:

And tell me, just what is the corner stone of 5th gen? If not Stealth?

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The marketing terms for 5th gen were everything that both of you said and a few more.

- Stealth
- High maneuverability
- Advanced avionics
- Networked data fusion from sensors and avionics
- Multi-role

But again, it's half real, and half marketing talk you know? The stuff they say just to sell new planes.