Chinese purchase of Su-35

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Wow, you guys must be really bored to waste this much time and attention on this reoccurring joke. Seriously, this story seems to have more lives than a zombie cat or the coyote who chases after the roadrunner.

Wanting the Su35 for a rearward firing missile when in the same article it was mentioned the PL10 should have this exact same capability? Why buy this never-before-heard-of Russian missile when the PL10 should already be in the same league? Even if they want the missile, why does the Su35 have to tag along? What next? China wanting to buy the Su35 because they really wanted baluga caviar? :rolleyes:

HMS is what is needed for over the shoulder shots. A step beyond that would be to introduce a DAS like 360 situational awareness system (which China should be development anyway as part of the J20 and J31 next gen avionics package) and use that for true 360 degree engagement capabilities.

The rearward facing radar on the Su35 is tiny and will have very limited range and field of view to be of much use in any realistic tactical application. During a dogfight, an enemy would have to be trying to nail you with guns for that radar to have any realistic chance of locking on to anything. Needless to say, that is not a situation you want to find yourself in at all, never mind devoting this much resources into trying to acquire a capability that will only be useful in that extremely rare situation, and one where odds are you are dead already anyways.

The whole story, on its own merit (or rather the distinct lack of any merit) should be raising all sorts of red flags. Add to that the dubious source and zero secondary confirmation and its hard to see how it could have gotten past anyone's BS detector.
 

siegecrossbow

General
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Super Moderator
I really don't get it why fanboys get so upset about a possible deal on the SU-35. It's a great aircraft and better than the Chinese can field in the next 4~5 years. Face it, The J-11B, J-10B, J15 and J-16(?does it even exist?) don't have a thing to say against the Flanker.

It's got better engines, highly maneuverable, can carry a lot of different stuff, has a very good AESA radar and won't be obsolete in the next 15 years or so. The Chinese can design custom fit avionics for weapons-integration.

I can only see a positive outcome for this sale.

Don't shoot me ;)

Since when did export versions of Su-35 come with AESA? Even the domestic version uses PESa right now.
 

Schumacher

Senior Member
More like Su-35 fanboys are upset that China is not buying the Su-35, especially when Chinese already have something better coming out in the next 4~5 years (read J-20).

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PLAAF don't need to wait til J20 to have something more advanced than Su35.
The likes of J16, J10B will do just fine with better avionics, AESA & composite materials etc. The only 'advantage' Su35 has is TVC but there are huge question marks as to how useful that'll be in real life. With zero sales, TVC on Su35 may only be useful in wowing crowds in airshows.
 

vesicles

Colonel
Latest news! The Chinese want to buy Su-35 because the Russians allegedly collaborated with aliens and put a teleportation device on Su-35! And the Chinese want the technology! My source? Ask the ancient alien theorists. Apparently, the only ancient people who had not been collaborating with aliens were the Chinese. So they want the Su-35 to see what they had missed all these millennia...
 

siegecrossbow

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Latest news! The Chinese want to buy Su-35 because the Russians allegedly collaborated with aliens and put a teleportation device on Su-35! And the Chinese want the technology! My source? Ask the ancient alien theorists. Apparently, the only ancient people who had not been collaborating with aliens were the Chinese. So they want the Su-35 to see what they had missed all these millennia...

Sadly, that theory is actually more likely than the one proposed by the Russian Media right now.
 

MiG-29

Banned Idiot
[video=youtube;ajxBIHnJi4I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajxBIHnJi4I[/video]
watch minute 7:00
Su-35 has a soccer ball size RCS

New nanomaterials have improved the latest Sukhois, so far Su-35 will be a very good fighter


Sources like ROSTEC

Rostec structure
Rostec comprises approximately 663 companies, which are to form defence industry complex and civil industry holding companies

says The head of Rosoboronexport Anatoly Isaikin during the MAKS 2013 airshow told to the Chinese aerobatic team that the pilots will be shortly able to fly Su-35 fighter jets.

Rosoboronexport and the Chinese party continue negotiating over the purchase of 24 Su-35 fighter jets by Beijing. The contract is expected to be signed in 2014, deputy head of Rosoboronexport Viktor Komardin told RIA Novosti.


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MiG-29

Banned Idiot
Sadly, that theory is actually more likely than the one proposed by the Russian Media right now.
that is just your opinion,
The contract is expected to be signed in 2014, deputy head of Rosoboronexport Viktor Komardin told RIA Novosti.

what veracity do you have? are you part of the PLAAF? or are you a collegue of Rosoboronexport`s Viktor Komardin.

So far yours is only an opinion
 

SteelBird

Colonel
that is just your opinion,
The contract is expected to be signed in 2014, deputy head of Rosoboronexport Viktor Komardin told RIA Novosti.

what veracity do you have? are you part of the PLAAF? or are you a collegue of Rosoboronexport`s Viktor Komardin.

So far yours is only an opinion

... and yours is another opinion. I won't hold my breath for that, and let's see who's finally correct. However, I think most of the SDF members already have the answer... except you!
 

MiG-29

Banned Idiot
... and yours is another opinion. I won't hold my breath for that, and let's see who's finally correct. However, I think most of the SDF members already have the answer... except you!

deputy head of Rosoboronexport Viktor Komardin told RIA Novosti.

this answers me, the rest believe what fits better your world view
 

Lion

Senior Member
that is just your opinion,
The contract is expected to be signed in 2014, deputy head of Rosoboronexport Viktor Komardin told RIA Novosti.

what veracity do you have? are you part of the PLAAF? or are you a collegue of Rosoboronexport`s Viktor Komardin.

So far yours is only an opinion

It was originated to be signed in 2012, then it become 2013. Now it says 2014. The "Wolf is coming!" Theory cannot uses so many time. You still want to take the bait?

J-16 has just completed the final design appraisal and is ready for mass production. This will make the chances of PLAAF buying Su-35 even lower.
 
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