Chinese purchase of Su-35

andyhugfan

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I really don't get it why fanboys get so upset about a possible deal on the SU-35. It's a great aircraft and better than the Chinese can field in the next 4~5 years. Face it, The J-11B, J-10B, J15 and J-16(?does it even exist?) don't have a thing to say against the Flanker.

It's got better engines, highly maneuverable, can carry a lot of different stuff, has a very good AESA radar and won't be obsolete in the next 15 years or so. The Chinese can design custom fit avionics for weapons-integration.

I can only see a positive outcome for this sale.

Don't shoot me ;)
 
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andyhugfan said:
Don't shoot me ;)
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But your avatar is challenging us.

andyhugfan said:
I really don't get it why fanboys get so upset about a possible deal on the SU-35. It's a great aircraft and better than the Chinese can field in the next 4~5 years. Face it, The J-11B, J-10B, J15 and J-16(?does it even exist?) don't have a thing to say against the Flanker.

It's got better engines, highly maneuverable, can carry a lot of different stuff, has a very good AESA radar and won't be obsolete in the next 15 years or so. The Chinese can design custom fit avionics for weapons-integration.

I can only see a positive outcome for this sale.
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I see the main problem here is Russian aircraft don't fire Chinese weapon. To buy a new Russian aircraft means a lot of logistic to go along. I don't argue that any Chinese Flanker is better than Su-35 but at least it can do the job and it's fine just like when you already have the type 56 rifle, you don't "must" import the AK-74 because it's superior. Just my two cents.
 
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andyhugfan said:
I really don't get it why fanboys get so upset about a possible deal on the SU-35. It's a great aircraft and better than the Chinese can field in the next 4~5 years. Face it, The J-11B, J-10B, J15 and J-16(?does it even exist?) don't have a thing to say against the Flanker.

It's got better engines, highly maneuverable, can carry a lot of different stuff, has a very good AESA radar and won't be obsolete in the next 15 years or so. The Chinese can design custom fit avionics for weapons-integration.

I can only see a positive outcome for this sale.

Don't shoot me ;)
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No... I don't think most people here are upset if the deal really went through, and if it really gone through, that is what the Chinese want, they did the assessment and they find it a go.

What many of us are upset about is that... up till now there is no official news from both Chinese and Russian side (and in actual fact there are official denial to the deal) of the deal actually being made. And people keep coming in with unreliable sources, outright lies and stuff like that, to try to spread rumors on an imaginary deal being done.

That is what upset us.
 
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thunderchief said:
Same news but from different source . Bold part is particularly interesting :



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... and like what others had already said... that news is total BS.

gullible said:
Why china has been unable to stand on her own feet in something new despite decades of missile development & has to import them?
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... and how to you know China is not standing on her own feet? She built her own destroyers, her own missiles system, her own fighters, etc.
 
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Franklin said:
WanChinaTimes is not a credible source stop linking their articles here. Why is this thread still open ? Why are people still posting here ? Why would China buy the SU-35 if they already got the J-10B and the J-16 is down the pipeline in the next few years and not to mention the J-20 further down the road ? If there is going to be a sale of the SU-35 why are the Chinese government saying that they are not interested in the SU-35 and why are the Russian government saying that they are not going to sell the F-35 to China ?

I don't buy the story that China is buying the SU-35 just for the Al-41 engines. The WS-15 is in development and the WS-10 is progressing nicely. I don't think that China is going to spendt billions of dollars on a foreign fighter platform and its associated weapons and support systems. And i don't think that Russia is going to want to sell the SU-35 to China as they don't want sensetive technology to fall in the Chinese hands.
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Because we like beating on a dead horse :)
 
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kroko said:
Wantchinatimes is a taiwanese news source. How reliable/impartial is it regarding china´s military?
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"Wantchinatimes " is a Taiwanese source it is NEVER reliable regarding China.

Basically it will try everything to make Chinese look like sub humans. It keep writing bullsh!t about Su-35, but just a month ago when HQ-9 win the Turkey's competition it NEVER said a word.

NEVER trust the Taiwanese! These MFs will do anything in their power to put down China and make Chinese people sound like sub humans. This way it boost their ego.

Truly pathetic!


BTW, "Wantchinatimes" is also the ones said that the deal will be signed in late 2012, then early 2013, then middle of 2013 during Xi JinPing's visit, then late 2013, and now it says that it will be signed next year. !!:rolleyes:
 
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andyhugfan said:
I really don't get it why fanboys get so upset about a possible deal on the SU-35. It's a great aircraft and better than the Chinese can field in the next 4~5 years. Face it, The J-11B, J-10B, J15 and J-16(?does it even exist?) don't have a thing to say against the Flanker.
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More like Su-35 fanboys are upset that China is not buying the Su-35, especially when Chinese already have something better coming out in the next 4~5 years (read J-20).

andyhugfan said:
It's got better engines, highly maneuverable, can carry a lot of different stuff, has a very good AESA radar and won't be obsolete in the next 15 years or so. The Chinese can design custom fit avionics for weapons-integration.

I can only see a positive outcome for this sale.

Don't shoot me ;)
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The Su-35 won't be obsolete in the next 15 years because the aircraft is already obsolete. Aerodynamics wise, Su-35 is not much different than a typical Su-27, the latter being a 1980's product. If it weren't for the new engines, the Su-35 would see no improvement in maneuverability. Avionics wise, the Chinese are ahead. Chinese have a lot of experience in mass producing and fielding various types of AESA radars, whereas Russians do not. It makes little sense for Chinese to buy an outdated product with less advanced avionics and no room for improvements.
 
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