MwRYum
Major
So what were the latest buzz about? You don't spread rumors just because you got bored...or were those aimed at India or Vietnam, egging them to make bigger commitment?
Chinese purchase of Su-35
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So what were the latest buzz about? You don't spread rumors just because you got bored...or were those aimed at India or Vietnam, egging them to make bigger commitment?
cut and paste error, the original article is there for everyone to read.
SteelBird
Colonel
Here is an Indian version of the story. Credibility is given by you, the readers. Look like if the deals become true, Indian would be the one who worries the most. In article also mentions that the Rafale that India is going to buy from France is no match to the Su-35. Is that true?
Typical Indian inferiority complex. So what if China gets 24 Su-35s? In case of a war between China and India, both countries will be annihilated by each other's nukes anyway regardless of conventional military strength.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Conventional wars do not automatically escalate into total nuclear war, but even if it does, only one will be totally annihilated. Indian missiles still lack the range to reach much of China, so it would be very ill advised for them to even think about resorting to nukes. But all of this is of topic so best to just drop it.
MwRYum
Major
Nobody would welcome any news that your enemy is getting new weapons, though a deal just 24 jets without any local production license or technology transfer agreement, is actually not something worth that much anxiety.
The story is certainly persistent and certainly more high profile in the mainstream media than it has ever been before.
May I also suggest to regard such a purchase as much as a political decision as it is military?
Sometimes maintaining a strategic partnership does entail doing something for the other guy, principally for his benefit as opposed to simply your own.
I see it this way: China wants access to specific technologies, Russia wants a boost to its export sales. This could be the way to give everybody what they want.
I am still rather of the opinion that Chinese and Russian defence contractors are heading for a future of joint venture partnership over the design and construction of next generation weapons and I can see how this purchase as the first preliminary step to allowing this to happen.
May I also suggest to regard such a purchase as much as a political decision as it is military?
Sometimes maintaining a strategic partnership does entail doing something for the other guy, principally for his benefit as opposed to simply your own.
I see it this way: China wants access to specific technologies, Russia wants a boost to its export sales. This could be the way to give everybody what they want.
I am still rather of the opinion that Chinese and Russian defence contractors are heading for a future of joint venture partnership over the design and construction of next generation weapons and I can see how this purchase as the first preliminary step to allowing this to happen.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
That suggestion does make sense, but the fact that Xi left Russia without any official announcement of a deal makes a politically motivated buy seem much less likely.
New Chinese President on his first official visit to Russia, there is no better time for any politically motivated deals to be signed and announced in front of the cameras. If ever there was a good chance a Su35 deal might have been signed, it was during Pres Xi's visit. The fact that the deal didn't happen then pretty much speaks volumes about the chances of it ever happening.
Schumacher
Senior Member
Well, as much as I don't think it'll happen, I don't need so much to make me believe. All I need is simply an official statement from Chinese/Russian government that a deal has been signed to BUY. Not some vague statements from some analysts even if he's on CCTV. Definitely not some BS from some Russian salesmen that they're signing a deal or having talks so as to have more talks.
If you look at Sino-Russian 'talks', they can go on for literally decades.
Schumacher
Senior Member
It's only more persistent now because Sino-Russia relation is indeed at the best for years. I'm sure they have hundreds of items to talk about & Su35 may indeed be included for marketing purposes, & China is playing along to save face for Russia. I doubt there's anything real though.