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Is a simple majority enough to win the election in Taiwan and what is the process of independence from China, Is it just a case of the winning party declaring independence or it get tabled in parliament for a vote? and how did the KMT TPP alliance get sabotaged
 
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Biscuits

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There would be no prosperity or even any sort of reasonable life possible at all without the central government's blessing. But the people on Taiwan do not have freedom in choosing whoever make choices for them, they're held hostage by armed terrorists who would rather point guns at the defenders of the country and collude with potential invaders, to further their own continued grasp on power.

Beijing will go to great lengths to allow locals to do whatever they want as long as Taiwan remains safe. But DPP and other similar splinter factions do not want a safe Taiwan, because they know they'd have less than zero power in a fair, democratic system. Their only chance is relying on the wealth, blackmail and clout of those who seek revanchism against China.

They are so myopic in clinging to short term power, they are leading the whole province into a future where at best, millions of locals will face property destruction, arrest, interrogation or generally uprooted lives, and at worst, should the PLA be forced to momentarily retreat from Taiwan, the full level of scorched earth tactic applied to the whole province.
 

supersnoop

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Lai Ching‑te and DPP isn't fully aligned though, Lai is super pro-independence, as opposed to the "moderate" Tsai. My dream is that DPP gets a big victory, US puts boots on the ground in the middle east and Lai formally declares independence. Yellens says the US can afford two wars simultaneously, how about three?

He is aligned with the “radical” wing, which is independence-seeking. The “moderate” wing being China-hating, but not seeking independence.

What you are describing was the scenario 20 years ago when CSB was in charge in Taiwan. He believed that the power balance was not in the mainland’s favour (retrospectively he was probably correct) and wanted to declare independence but was publicly rebuked by George W Bush since it could complicate the situation in Afghanistan. Without American support, his ambition was put to bed.

Ironically, CSB was the moderate and his VP Annette Lu was the more radical one. Today Annette Lu has almost totally repudiated her past position and now advocates for an unlikely EU-type union between PRC and ROC.

Is a simple majority enough to win the election in Taiwan and what is the process of independence from China, Is it just a case of the winning party declaring independence or it get tabled in parliament for a vote? and how did the KMT TPP alliance get sabotaged

The president is elected by simple majority, but the parliament is elected separately.

The process of independence would require a constitutional amendment since the Constitution is that of the Republic of China, all of China, not just Taiwan which is technically just a provincial territory legally. To even make amendments requires a plebiscite approved by something like 2/3 majority of the Legislative Yuan, then the amendment can only pass if something 75% approve with at least 75% turnout or something like that.

Edit: the exact numbers are probably wrong, but you get the idea
 

Luke Warmwar

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Is there any legal barrier to hosting US troops? If they’re looking for a casus belli, that would seem to be the easier route than a formal independence declaration.
 

B.I.B.

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Lai Ching‑te and DPP isn't fully aligned though, Lai is super pro-independence, as opposed to the "moderate" Tsai. My dream is that DPP gets a big victory, US puts boots on the ground in the middle east and Lai formally declares independence. Yellens says the US can afford two wars simultaneously, how about three?
Maybe the US will put boots on the ground if one of their ships get sunk by the Houtis
 

Biscuits

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Maybe the US will put boots on the ground if one of their ships get sunk by the Houtis
Ensuring houthi trolling is the safest bet for China right now, if they want to defend themselves through purely diplomatic play.

I can actually see it happen. It's already happened more than a few times. Seemingly random happenings in other parts of the world to make sure US can't invade.
 

B.I.B.

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He is aligned with the “radical” wing, which is independence-seeking. The “moderate” wing being China-hating, but not seeking independence.

What you are describing was the scenario 20 years ago when CSB was in charge in Taiwan. He believed that the power balance was not in the mainland’s favour (retrospectively he was probably correct) and wanted to declare independence but was publicly rebuked by George W Bush since it could complicate the situation in Afghanistan. Without American support, his ambition was put to bed.

Ironically, CSB was the moderate and his VP Annette Lu was the more radical one. Today Annette Lu has almost totally repudiated her past position and now advocates for an unlikely EU-type union between PRC and ROC.



The president is elected by simple majority, but the parliament is elected separately.

The process of independence would require a constitutional amendment since the Constitution is that of the Republic of China, all of China, not just Taiwan which is technically just a provincial territory legally. To even make amendments requires a plebiscite approved by something like 2/3 majority of the Legislative Yuan, then the amendment can only pass if something 75% approve with at least 75% turnout or something like that.

Edit: the exact numbers are probably wrong, but you get the idea
o it is possible for a TTP Presedential win but the Oppositiom winnimg having more representatives in the Legislative Yuam?
 
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