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Not surprised after the back lash against Creation of the Gods 2’s director, who is accused of being a Mongol nationalist. Not sure how true that is but using a half-white Taiwanese American guy (whose father was a white American diplomat) to play the Shang king kind of rubbed me the wrong way. I can get behind more casting of minorities, but the guy seems to also have been involved with Zhu Yu's "Eating People" exhibitions, which back in 2000 created that whole "Chinese eat babies" stereotype; so at least a self-hating liberal type.
 

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China Focus: "Ne Zha 2" becomes China's all-time top-grossing film-
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A poster of the animated feature "Ne Zha 2" is pictured at a cinema in Shenyang, northeast China's Liaoning Province, Feb. 6, 2025. "Ne Zha 2," the animated feature that has taken China's box office by storm, has officially surpassed the 2021 war epic "The Battle at Lake Changjin" to become the highest-grossing film of all time in China.

By 1:25 p.m. Thursday, the animated blockbuster's earnings had exceeded 5.77 billion yuan (approximately 804.84 million U.S. dollars), a remarkable achievement over just eight days and five hours, according to ticketing platforms Maoyan and Beacon. (Xinhua/Li Gang)

by Xinhua writer Zhang Yunlong
BEIJING, Feb. 6 (Xinhua) -- "Ne Zha 2," the animated feature that has taken China's box office by storm, has officially surpassed the 2021 war epic "The Battle at Lake Changjin" to become the highest-grossing film of all time in China.

By 1:25 p.m. Thursday, the animated blockbuster's earnings had exceeded 5.77 billion yuan (approximately 804.84 million U.S. dollars), a remarkable achievement over just eight days and five hours, according to ticketing platforms Maoyan and Beacon.
With projections now pointing to a final gross of between 9.4 and 9.5 billion yuan, "Ne Zha 2" has firmly cemented its place at the peak of China's cinematic history. This milestone comes on the heels of the series' first installation, "Ne Zha," which grossed 5 billion yuan and topped the country's box office charts in 2019.

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Posters of the animated feature "Ne Zha 2" are pictured at a cinema in Shenyang, northeast China's Liaoning Province, Feb. 6, 2025.

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People walk past a poster of the animated feature "Ne Zha 2" at a cinema in Shenyang, northeast China's Liaoning Province, Feb. 6, 2025.

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People visit company producing "Ne Zha 2" in Chengdu-
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People take photos in front of Chengdu Coco Cartoon Co., Ltd., the company producing "Ne Zha 2," in Chengdu, southwest China's Sichuan Province, Feb. 8, 2025. According to ticketing platform Beacon, "Ne Zha 2" had already grossed over 6.79 billion yuan (about 947 million U.S. dollars) on the Chinese mainland by 9:11 p.m. Friday, overtaking the North American box office for "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" to become the highest-grossing film in a single market globally.

By Saturday, the animated blockbuster's earnings has exceeded 7.0 billion yuan (about 980 million U.S. dollars). (All photos below by Xinhua/Jiang Hongjing)

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An aerial drone photo taken on Feb. 8, 2025 shows Chengdu Coco Cartoon Co., Ltd., the company producing "Ne Zha 2," at the Gazelle Digital Cultural and Creative Valley in Chengdu, southwest China's Sichuan Province, Feb. 8, 2025.

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People take photos in front of Chengdu Coco Cartoon Co., Ltd., the company producing "Ne Zha 2," in Chengdu, southwest China's Sichuan Province, Feb. 8, 2025.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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I watched it, 10/10.
Nice!!
Not surprised after the back lash against Creation of the Gods 2’s director, who is accused of being a Mongol nationalist. Not sure how true that is but using a half-white Taiwanese American guy (whose father was a white American diplomat) to play the Shang king kind of rubbed me the wrong way. I can get behind more casting of minorities, but the guy seems to also have been involved with Zhu Yu's "Eating People" exhibitions, which back in 2000 created that whole "Chinese eat babies" stereotype; so at least a self-hating liberal type.
What? What did the director say and or do to garner such reputation?
 

OppositeDay

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Not surprised after the back lash against Creation of the Gods 2’s director, who is accused of being a Mongol nationalist. Not sure how true that is but using a half-white Taiwanese American guy (whose father was a white American diplomat) to play the Shang king kind of rubbed me the wrong way. I can get behind more casting of minorities, but the guy seems to also have been involved with Zhu Yu's "Eating People" exhibitions, which back in 2000 created that whole "Chinese eat babies" stereotype; so at least a self-hating liberal type.

Wuershan has a kink for hapas. Evident in his other movies' casting choices too. Doesn't make him a Mongol nationalist. He grew up in one of Beijing's PLA residential compounds and shares liberal values of urban Chinese elites of his generation. Again doesn't make him a Mongol nationalist. I'm really tired of this alt-right discourse.
 
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SanWenYu

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At 89, actor 王德顺 did the voice for the character 无量仙翁 in Nezha 2. He got the fame for his physique at the age of 79 in a fashion show in Beijing in 2015. He learned flight in 3 months and got his private pilot's license at 85.

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This was him in Shanghai when he was 88 years old in the Dongbei floral style dress on stage. Truly amazing.

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coolgod

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Wuershan has a kink for hapas. Evident in his other movies' casting choices too. Doesn't make him a Mongol nationalist. He grew up in one of Beijing's PLA residential compounds and shares liberal values of urban Chinese elites of his generation. Again doesn't make him a Mongol nationalist. I'm really tired of this alt-right discourse.
I'm not saying this guy is a Mongol nationalist, but your arguments are the same quality as Eventine's. How does growing up in PLA residential compounds have anything to do with being a mongol nationalist? Kids growing up in Beijing with high ranking CPC family members can even become hanjians.
 

OppositeDay

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I'm not saying this guy is a Mongol nationalist, but your arguments are the same quality as Eventine's. How does growing up in PLA residential compounds have anything to do with being a mongol nationalist? Kids growing up in Beijing with high ranking CPC family members can even become hanjians.

Because it shows
1. he is more likely to be a liberal.
2. he's less likely to be indoctrinated in Mongol nationalism than a herdsman's boy who grew up on the steppe.

Both him being a liberal and a Mongol nationalist explain some of his actions. The fact he grew up in PLA residential compound in Beijing makes the first more likely and the second less likely. Very simple argument.
 

coolgod

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Because it shows
1. he is more likely to be a liberal.
2. he's less likely to be indoctrinated in Mongol nationalism than a herdsman's boy who grew up on the steppe.

Both him being a liberal and a Mongol nationalist explain some of his actions. The fact he grew up in PLA residential compound in Beijing makes the first more likely and the second less likely. Very simple argument.
Um no, having a Chinese liberal direct Chinese historical films is literally the worst idea possible. I'm not sure why you are so confident in your logic, liberals are way more into Mongol nationalism than herdsman's boy who grew up on the steppe. The people living traditional lifestyle in Inner Mongolia are actually some of the most patriotic Chinese nationalists, don't slander our proud ethnic minorities. The actual Mongol nationalist/LARPers mostly reside in big Chinese cities.
 

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Because it shows
1. he is more likely to be a liberal.
2. he's less likely to be indoctrinated in Mongol nationalism than a herdsman's boy who grew up on the steppe.

Both him being a liberal and a Mongol nationalist explain some of his actions. The fact he grew up in PLA residential compound in Beijing makes the first more likely and the second less likely. Very simple argument.
A liberal is more likely to be an ethnic nationalist, as ethnic nationalism is fundamentally tied to the liberal concept of "self-determination" - ie that every ethnic group has the right to political independence and sovereignty. Mongolia being a democracy would further lend support to its appeal to liberal Mongols.

In this respect, even though China is socialist and socialism is a left-wing ideology, China and liberalism have always, in my mind, been fundamentally opposed. This is due to liberalism's deep relationship with identity politics, which is contrary to China's vision for national unity and centralization. Now that the liberal international order is collapsing under its own weight, it is hardly the time to be celebrating liberalism.
 
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OppositeDay

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A liberal is more likely to be an ethnic nationalist, as ethnic nationalism is fundamentally tied to the liberal concept of "self-determination" - ie that every ethnic group has the right to political independence and sovereignty. Mongolia being a democracy would further lend support to its appeal to liberal Mongols.

In this respect, even though China is socialist and socialism is a left-wing ideology, China and liberalism have always, in my mind, been fundamentally opposed. This is due to liberalism's deep relationship with identity politics, which is contrary to China's vision for national unity and centralization. Now that the liberal international order is collapsing under its own weight, it is hardly the time to be celebrating liberalism.

You're just mistaking justification for correlation. Just because nationalists use the language of self-determination as justification doesn't mean they actually believe in liberalism. Also, just because a liberal might believe in rights of self-determination doesn't mean they actually desire an ethno-state.
 
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