Chinese-European transport helo project

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AVIC breaks from Eurocopter to re-engine Z-15 helo

Robert Hewson Jane's Air-Launched Weapons Editor
Singapore

China's AVIC Helicopter Co (Avicopter) is breaking away from Eurocopter, its
partner in the joint EC 175/Z-15 medium helicopter programme, following a
decision to re-engine the Chinese Z-15 variant with an indigenous
powerplant.

Avicopter will redesign the Z-15 around a new and as-yet-undefined
turboshaft, to be developed in co-operation with France's Turbomeca.
Eurocopter will continue to develop and build its EC 175 variant with the
previously planned Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6C-67B.

Jane's has also learned that China has successfully re-engined its Changhe
Z-10 attack helicopter with an indigenous powerplant, believed to be
designated WZ-9, and has flown the aircraft in this configuration. A few
prototype Z-10s were initially built with PT6Cs, prompting serious questions
about how Western engines supplied for a notionally commercial development
programme were powering a purely military aircraft.

The furore over the use of PT6s by the Z-10 is likely to have been a factor
in China's decision to seek an alternative engine for the Z-15, with
Avicopter perhaps concerned about continuity of supply for what is a
strategically significant helicopter programme.

At a Singapore Air Show briefing earlier this month, Eurocopter President
and Chief Executive Dr Lutz Bertling confirmed the Z-15 redesign. Bertling
noted that the EC 175/Z-15 project had hit every predicted programme
milestone over the five years since it was launched and that the second EC
175 airframe was delivered to France in December. All major structural
components for the EC 175 and Z-15 are built in Harbin by Haifei Aviation
Industry Co.

Confirming the decision to drop Pratt & Whitney Canada from the Z-15,
Bertling said: "Our Chinese partners have decided to go with a separate
engine: a future non-existent design from Turbomeca." He added that this
would delay development of the Z-15 to an unknown degree.

The first EC 175 made its maiden flight in France on 4 December, but the
Z-15 timeline has now been pushed firmly to the right. "I can't tell you
what impact this will have on their programme," said Bertling.

The decision to find an alternative engine for the Z-15 is another pointer
towards People's Liberation Army (PLA) plans to place multiple versions of
the 7-tonne helicopter into military service. Always presented as a civilian
helicopter jointly developed by France and China, the Z-15 is sized to
address a commercial market that does not yet exist within China's tightly
regulated civil aviation sphere. Instead, the Z-15 is an ideal platform for
a battlefield utility and shipboard helicopter that fills a clear gap in
current PLA aviation capabilities.

A Pratt & Whitney Canada representative told Jane's that while the company
recognised speculation regarding an engine change had been circulating for
some time, no official notification of a programme change had yet been
received. It was acknowledged that China has a previously announced
long-term plan to develop a new engine with Turbomeca and a Z-15 re-engining
would be possible under Avicopter's joint contract with Eurocopter.

Pratt & Whitney Canada also noted that no further engines have been supplied
for the Z-10 beyond the handful used by the prototype aircraft.
saw this on CDF posted. I think this just adds to what we already know. PLA is going for an European engine like the aforementioned WZ-16 (want to guess what WZ-11 to WZ-15 are?, since we only got up to WZ-9 for Z-10A and WZ-10 for 10-tone helo) just to avoid possible problems we are seeing over Z-10 project.
 

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Civilian Z-15s I can see still using PT6s, just that the military versions will be using Turbomeca derivatives instead.
 

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WARSAW - China will buy 150 helicopters from Poland's PZL Swidnik over 10 years under an agreement signed between the Polish aircraft firm and China's Jiujiang aeronautics plant, PZL Swidnik confirmed Feb. 27.

"It is a framework agreement for co-operation over a decade. We will deliver three types of helicopters: PZL Sokol, PZL Kania and SW-4, according to orders that will be specified on a yearly basis," PZL Swidnik spokesman Jan Mazur told AFP.

A standard version PZL Sokol helicopter costs $ 4 million dollars (2.6 million euros), while a SW-4 costs less than a million dollars.

"We also intend to assemble our PZL Sokol machines in China," Mazur said, but declined to provide further details.

According to Poland's Rzeczpospolita daily, PZL's Chinese partner is preparing the ground for the assembly plant.

Poland's State Treasury controls 87 percent of the PZL Swidnik aeronautics manufacturer, while the remaining shares are held, among others, by the municipality of Swidnik, southeast Poland.

Italy's Agusta company is reported to have purchased a share in PZL Swidnik.
 

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Not really sure who the planes are for, but it certainly will replace the role of Z-11 helicopters.
 

maozedong

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Who knows? That helo has no real heavy lift ability. Good for surveillance and evac situations. Maybe very little CAS(Close air suppourt) Very little?

why China want to buy Poland's PZL Swidnik ?
China's Z-8F already has been mass production and try to export for sell. Z-8F use Canada Pratt & Whitney PT6B-67A engine, It had been many improvements, had a broad application in China.

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China has started to assemble Russian-made multi-purpose transport helicopters Mi -171 in 2007, China plans to produce in 2008 of at least 20 Mi -171, spare parts available from the Ulan-Ude aviation povide, after which China's annual output will reach 80 of Mi-171.

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maozedong

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addition:
forgot to say, China no needs to buy more heavy helicopter, there are so many Z-9,Z-11,China really need to buy those helicopters? it will become complicated varieties.
 

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addition:
forgot to say, China no needs to buy more heavy helicopter, there are so many Z-9,Z-11,China really need to buy those helicopters? it will become complicated varieties.

Maybe its for the civilian market, and just as China has Geely, Brilliance, BYD etc to chose from in their car market, maybe a different company from the ones who produce the Z8, Z9, Z11 etc. wants to enter the market too, and their way of doing that is through building these Polish helicopters, as I doubt the produces of Z8 etc want to share production of those models with a rival company.
 
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