It looks like they took an Agusta Westlan Merlin and a Sikorsky S-92 and PSed them together....IMHO
Chinese-European transport helo project
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It looks like they took an Agusta Westlan Merlin and a Sikorsky S-92 and PSed them together....IMHO
SINGAPORE and PARIS - China is outfitting a new attack helicopter with a European engine despite export restrictions put in place after the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre. The move comes as European officials push hard for lifting restrictions on defense exports to China.
China's new Harbin Z9WE attack helicopter is being outfitted with two Arriel 2C turboshaft engines, according to a brochure distributed by China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corp. (CATIC) at the 2010 Singapore Airshow.
The Safran Group's Turbomeca firm, which developed the engines, granted licenses for production to China several years ago. Chinese factories have produced more than 200 Arriel 2Cs for use on utility and transport helicopters, a Turbomeca spokeswoman said.
Turbomeca's China business goes back decades. One older engine, the Arriel 1, has been built there under license for more than 30 years. In the past nine years, the Arriel 2B1A has been licensed for installation on the Changhe Z11 utility helicopter, and the Arriel 2C licensed for the H410A military helicopter and its VIP-transport variant, H425, according to the company's Web site.
"All our Turbomeca engines assembled in China have the necessary export approvals," the Turbomeca spokeswoman said.
The Z9WE is an updated version of the Harbin Aircraft Manufacturing Corp.'s Z9G attack helicopter, which flies on a pair of the Chinese-designed WZ8A turboshaft engines.
The new helicopter can carry an assortment of indigenously produced weapons: HJ-8 Red Arrow anti-tank missiles, 57-1 rocket launchers, 23-II cannons and 12.7mm machine guns, "which are enhanced by advanced fire-control system." It also has a sophisticated day/night targeting turret and advanced avionics and mission equipment, the brochure said.
This is not the first time that a Chinese promotional brochure has revealed that a foreign engine is going aboard a military helicopter.
In 2007, a Changhe Aircraft brochure on its then-new Z10 attack helicopters listed the power plant as the PT6C-67C engine manufactured by Pratt & Whitney Canada. The engine had been diverted from a civilian to a military aircraft.
Privately, U.S. officials are concerned that the civil EC175 medium-lift helicopter, which Eurocopter co-developed with China, could be put to military use.
One U.S. official in Paris noted that Eurocopter armed its EC145 to compete in the U.S. Armed Aerial Scout competition, and that China converted the company's Dauphin helicopter for submarine-hunting missions.
Another example is the Eurocopter EC120 Colibri Hummingbird, a single-engine light helicopter funded by China, France and Singapore and developed by a list of companies that includes CATIC, Eurocopter, Harbin and Singapore Technologies Aerospace. China now produces an HC120 variant of the Hummingbird for military training and police surveillance.
interesting article, it's kind of obvious that China is now using Turbomeca engines for Z-9Gs. It also explains why they are working with Turbomeca to develop an alternative engine for Z-15. Clearly, they want it to be used on the Chinese version and not be blocked if PWC is not allowed to supply engines for PLA's Z-15s.
He's done a pretty good job actually, someone just need to tell him that due to the extensive composite material usage in modern helicopters, there wouldn't be so many protruding bolts.But that guy doesn't want to give up !!
Maybe someone can tell him the game is over ?? :rofl:
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China poised to fly AC313 helicopter
By Leithen Francis
China is preparing to fly its AC313 medium-lift helicopter for the first time in March, leading to certification in 2011, says an official at the manufacturer Avicopter, a division of China's state-owned aerospace conglomerate AVIC.
The AC313 is a 13t helicopter that "can be extended to 15t" and the external load capacity "can be 5t", says the official. China developed the AC313 on its own rather than collaborating with foreign partners.
"The avionics system [for example] was independently developed by China," says the official, who says the helicopter is designed for "passenger and cargo transport, firefighting, search and rescue, emergency medical services, oil offshore services and VIP flights". Potential customers include government, police and general aviation firms, the official adds, who says the AC313 can carry 27 passengers or 4t of cargo.
Avicopter also manufactures the H425, a 4.25t helicopter that made its first flight in December 2004. This smaller helicopter is pitched at the same type of customers as the AC313. China is putting more emphasis on helicopter development following the May 2008 Sichuan earthquake.
Avicopter is also carrying out a feasibility study with Russian Helicopters, the consortium that includes Mil, to develop a 20t-plus heavylift helicopter.
Z8大改型和Z8型预警机
Z8 大改型(AC313)是在原来的Z8F的基础上，换成复合材料主旋翼和尾浆，改进传动系统，更换功率更大的发动机，改进航电系统，将Z8机身原来的船型底改为平底设计，取消浮筒，在机身两侧增设短翼，在机身短翼内安置起落架。Z8大改早期可能使用国外的BK2500或是TV7-117V发动机，后期改为国内的WZ10发动机。飞控系统和操纵系统在原来Z8F的基础上升级改进，把原来的飞控系统由机械液压式升级为电传飞控系统。Z8大改型的主旋翼制造完成，主旋翼动特性试验完成，即将进行大型试验。
郭俊贤是Z10工程副总设计师及Z8预警机的总设计师。他负责了Z10工程球柔性复合材料旋翼系统的设计，这副旋翼也将用于中法合作研制的Z15上面。Z8型预警机是在Z8大改型的基础上，加装预警雷达和任务系统，作为航母的配套工程，目前正在加紧研制中。
Shouldn't be news by now, but AC-313 is getting developed as the helicopter between the 10 tonne class and the 20 tonne class. It's a modified Z-8. We will see how much changes, but they claim to use a whole new avionics system, engine, improved transmission system, uses composite material for the rotor and tail and a new main rotor. It says that a digital FBW will be developed.
Says that Z-8 AEW will be using AC-313 as the platform
By Leithen Francis
China is preparing to fly its AC313 medium-lift helicopter for the first time in March, leading to certification in 2011, says an official at the manufacturer Avicopter, a division of China's state-owned aerospace conglomerate AVIC.
The AC313 is a 13t helicopter that "can be extended to 15t" and the external load capacity "can be 5t", says the official. China developed the AC313 on its own rather than collaborating with foreign partners.
"The avionics system [for example] was independently developed by China," says the official, who says the helicopter is designed for "passenger and cargo transport, firefighting, search and rescue, emergency medical services, oil offshore services and VIP flights". Potential customers include government, police and general aviation firms, the official adds, who says the AC313 can carry 27 passengers or 4t of cargo.
Avicopter also manufactures the H425, a 4.25t helicopter that made its first flight in December 2004. This smaller helicopter is pitched at the same type of customers as the AC313. China is putting more emphasis on helicopter development following the May 2008 Sichuan earthquake.
Avicopter is also carrying out a feasibility study with Russian Helicopters, the consortium that includes Mil, to develop a 20t-plus heavylift helicopter.
Z8大改型和Z8型预警机
Z8 大改型(AC313)是在原来的Z8F的基础上，换成复合材料主旋翼和尾浆，改进传动系统，更换功率更大的发动机，改进航电系统，将Z8机身原来的船型底改为平底设计，取消浮筒，在机身两侧增设短翼，在机身短翼内安置起落架。Z8大改早期可能使用国外的BK2500或是TV7-117V发动机，后期改为国内的WZ10发动机。飞控系统和操纵系统在原来Z8F的基础上升级改进，把原来的飞控系统由机械液压式升级为电传飞控系统。Z8大改型的主旋翼制造完成，主旋翼动特性试验完成，即将进行大型试验。
郭俊贤是Z10工程副总设计师及Z8预警机的总设计师。他负责了Z10工程球柔性复合材料旋翼系统的设计，这副旋翼也将用于中法合作研制的Z15上面。Z8型预警机是在Z8大改型的基础上，加装预警雷达和任务系统，作为航母的配套工程，目前正在加紧研制中。
Shouldn't be news by now, but AC-313 is getting developed as the helicopter between the 10 tonne class and the 20 tonne class. It's a modified Z-8. We will see how much changes, but they claim to use a whole new avionics system, engine, improved transmission system, uses composite material for the rotor and tail and a new main rotor. It says that a digital FBW will be developed.
Says that Z-8 AEW will be using AC-313 as the platform
China poised to fly AC313 helicopter
By Leithen Francis
China is preparing to fly its AC313 medium-lift helicopter for the first time in March, leading to certification in 2011, says an official at the manufacturer Avicopter, a division of China's state-owned aerospace conglomerate AVIC.
The AC313 is a 13t helicopter that "can be extended to 15t" and the external load capacity "can be 5t", says the official. China developed the AC313 on its own rather than collaborating with foreign partners.
"The avionics system [for example] was independently developed by China," says the official, who says the helicopter is designed for "passenger and cargo transport, firefighting, search and rescue, emergency medical services, oil offshore services and VIP flights". Potential customers include government, police and general aviation firms, the official adds, who says the AC313 can carry 27 passengers or 4t of cargo.
Avicopter also manufactures the H425, a 4.25t helicopter that made its first flight in December 2004. This smaller helicopter is pitched at the same type of customers as the AC313. China is putting more emphasis on helicopter development following the May 2008 Sichuan earthquake.
Avicopter is also carrying out a feasibility study with Russian Helicopters, the consortium that includes Mil, to develop a 20t-plus heavylift helicopter.
Z8大改型和Z8型预警机
Z8 大改型(AC313)是在原来的Z8F的基础上，换成复合材料主旋翼和尾浆，改进传动系统，更换功率更大的发动机，改进航电系统，将Z8机身原来的船型底改为平底设计，取消浮筒，在机身两侧增设短翼，在机身短翼内安置起落架。Z8大改早期可能使用国外的BK2500或是TV7-117V发动机，后期改为国内的WZ10发动机。飞控系统和操纵系统在原来Z8F的基础上升级改进，把原来的飞控系统由机械液压式升级为电传飞控系统。Z8大改型的主旋翼制造完成，主旋翼动特性试验完成，即将进行大型试验。
郭俊贤是Z10工程副总设计师及Z8预警机的总设计师。他负责了Z10工程球柔性复合材料旋翼系统的设计，这副旋翼也将用于中法合作研制的Z15上面。Z8型预警机是在Z8大改型的基础上，加装预警雷达和任务系统，作为航母的配套工程，目前正在加紧研制中。
Shouldn't be news by now, but AC-313 is getting developed as the helicopter between the 10 tonne class and the 20 tonne class. It's a modified Z-8. We will see how much changes, but they claim to use a whole new avionics system, engine, improved transmission system, uses composite material for the rotor and tail and a new main rotor. It says that a digital FBW will be developed.
Says that Z-8 AEW will be using AC-313 as the platform
By Leithen Francis
China is preparing to fly its AC313 medium-lift helicopter for the first time in March, leading to certification in 2011, says an official at the manufacturer Avicopter, a division of China's state-owned aerospace conglomerate AVIC.
The AC313 is a 13t helicopter that "can be extended to 15t" and the external load capacity "can be 5t", says the official. China developed the AC313 on its own rather than collaborating with foreign partners.
"The avionics system [for example] was independently developed by China," says the official, who says the helicopter is designed for "passenger and cargo transport, firefighting, search and rescue, emergency medical services, oil offshore services and VIP flights". Potential customers include government, police and general aviation firms, the official adds, who says the AC313 can carry 27 passengers or 4t of cargo.
Avicopter also manufactures the H425, a 4.25t helicopter that made its first flight in December 2004. This smaller helicopter is pitched at the same type of customers as the AC313. China is putting more emphasis on helicopter development following the May 2008 Sichuan earthquake.
Avicopter is also carrying out a feasibility study with Russian Helicopters, the consortium that includes Mil, to develop a 20t-plus heavylift helicopter.
Z8大改型和Z8型预警机
Z8 大改型(AC313)是在原来的Z8F的基础上，换成复合材料主旋翼和尾浆，改进传动系统，更换功率更大的发动机，改进航电系统，将Z8机身原来的船型底改为平底设计，取消浮筒，在机身两侧增设短翼，在机身短翼内安置起落架。Z8大改早期可能使用国外的BK2500或是TV7-117V发动机，后期改为国内的WZ10发动机。飞控系统和操纵系统在原来Z8F的基础上升级改进，把原来的飞控系统由机械液压式升级为电传飞控系统。Z8大改型的主旋翼制造完成，主旋翼动特性试验完成，即将进行大型试验。
郭俊贤是Z10工程副总设计师及Z8预警机的总设计师。他负责了Z10工程球柔性复合材料旋翼系统的设计，这副旋翼也将用于中法合作研制的Z15上面。Z8型预警机是在Z8大改型的基础上，加装预警雷达和任务系统，作为航母的配套工程，目前正在加紧研制中。
Shouldn't be news by now, but AC-313 is getting developed as the helicopter between the 10 tonne class and the 20 tonne class. It's a modified Z-8. We will see how much changes, but they claim to use a whole new avionics system, engine, improved transmission system, uses composite material for the rotor and tail and a new main rotor. It says that a digital FBW will be developed.
Says that Z-8 AEW will be using AC-313 as the platform
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Heli-Expo 2010: Turbomeca working on alternative engine for Chinese EC175
February 20, 2010
Turbomeca is working with Chinese manufacturer AVIC on an alternative engine for the EC175/Z-15 helicopter.
Speaking on the eve of Heli-Expo in Houston, CEO Pierre Fabre told reporters that the company was working with the Chinese on a development of its Ardiden engine, called the WZ-16. The WZ-16 will be a derivative of the Ardiden 3 which is also going to be fitted to the Kamov Ka-62.
The Ardiden engine is already flying in the HAL Dhruv, Advanced Light Helicopter, but the uprated versions, will be capable of producing 1,800-2,000 shp, making them ideal for six-eight tonne helicopters.
It follows the first flight ceremony of the EC175 in Marseille back in December in which Eurocopter CEO Lutz Bertling revealed that the Chinese were looking to an alternative powerplant to that being used in the EC175, the Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6C. Fabre said he was confident of achieving a 10-15 % improvement in fuel burn on the Canadian engine.
The company revealed engine sales had dipped by 15 % selling 300 fewer engines in 2009 compared to 2008. The company was spending 11 % of its turnover on research and development and working on reducing the rate of in-flight shut-downs with the aim by 40 % by 2016.
Fabre said he was looking to Asia for increased sales in the next 30 years, pointing that China only has around 600 helicopters but could see equal the 6000 or so helicopters operating in the United States in the next three decades. In 2009 60 of engines were to replace old engines, with 40 % new sales, Fabre believes that by 2039, 60 % of sales would be for new engines.
By Tony Osborne - Rotorhub.com Editorial Team
February 20, 2010
Turbomeca is working with Chinese manufacturer AVIC on an alternative engine for the EC175/Z-15 helicopter.
Speaking on the eve of Heli-Expo in Houston, CEO Pierre Fabre told reporters that the company was working with the Chinese on a development of its Ardiden engine, called the WZ-16. The WZ-16 will be a derivative of the Ardiden 3 which is also going to be fitted to the Kamov Ka-62.
The Ardiden engine is already flying in the HAL Dhruv, Advanced Light Helicopter, but the uprated versions, will be capable of producing 1,800-2,000 shp, making them ideal for six-eight tonne helicopters.
It follows the first flight ceremony of the EC175 in Marseille back in December in which Eurocopter CEO Lutz Bertling revealed that the Chinese were looking to an alternative powerplant to that being used in the EC175, the Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6C. Fabre said he was confident of achieving a 10-15 % improvement in fuel burn on the Canadian engine.
The company revealed engine sales had dipped by 15 % selling 300 fewer engines in 2009 compared to 2008. The company was spending 11 % of its turnover on research and development and working on reducing the rate of in-flight shut-downs with the aim by 40 % by 2016.
Fabre said he was looking to Asia for increased sales in the next 30 years, pointing that China only has around 600 helicopters but could see equal the 6000 or so helicopters operating in the United States in the next three decades. In 2009 60 of engines were to replace old engines, with 40 % new sales, Fabre believes that by 2039, 60 % of sales would be for new engines.
By Tony Osborne - Rotorhub.com Editorial Team
