Chinese Engine Development

Michael90

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Too many people are discussing passenger jet engines as if they're military engines. CJ-1000A will only be mass produced when Comac offers a C919 variant with CJ-1000A and receives orders for it. None of us knows when will it happen. Supposedly Comac is working on a fully domestic C919 (not just engines) and is targeting a 2028 certification. But so far it's only a rumor.
I think the CCP should quickly approve such a program and move quickly on that on a war footing. There is no guarantee that a US dominated( like it is today) C919 will not be sanctioned tomorrow. So they should assume the worse as soon as possible. It only takes a US president decision to stop this program for a long time.
 

Michael90

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The return of un-preditable Trump to White House is likely expedicting work on CJ-1000A. He may have more grudges than before against China especially after his failure in the trade war and Tariff war. We don't know what he is going to do after his return as president of US.

When COMAC depleted its inventory of LEAP 1-C engines (may be in a year or two), they will need CJ-1000A if Trump decides to ban export of LEAP 1-C. Initial production of CJ-1000A will have incremental output rates through pilot production run, initial low rate production runs before full rate serial production runs. This may take 2 or 3 years.
Yeah but not just the engines. They should be working on replacing every major part that is supplied by the US/West as soon as possible. Sanctions are only a pen away from derailing this program.
 

sangye

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I think the CCP should quickly approve such a program and move quickly on that on a war footing. There is no guarantee that a US dominated( like it is today) C919 will not be sanctioned tomorrow. So they should assume the worse as soon as possible. It only takes a US president decision to stop this program for a long time.
And get a lemon like the SSJ100 that crashes every six months? Get away from civilian airliners discussions and stay away. China doesn't need the C919 to be successful right now if they can have it be successful in just a few years the right way (the safe way).
 

zyklon

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The return of un-preditable Trump to White House is likely expedicting work on CJ-1000A. He may have more grudges than before against China especially after his failure in the trade war and Tariff war. We don't know what he is going to do after his return as president of US.

When COMAC depleted its inventory of LEAP 1-C engines (may be in a year or two), they will need CJ-1000A if Trump decides to ban export of LEAP 1-C. Initial production of CJ-1000A will have incremental output rates through pilot production run, initial low rate production runs before full rate serial production runs. This may take 2 or 3 years.

I get where you're coming from: Trump definitely has a reputation for unpredictability, but he isn't stupid.

One of Trump's principal goals is to reduce America's trade deficit against China, and that's not going to happen unless China buys more American goods.

Knowing Trump, he may very well ask Xi to buy more LEAP 1-C turbofans, especially as fancy and expensive mechanical thingies that look yuuuge are great for photo ops that resonate with Trump's base!

In 2017, Trump helped Boeing secure a deal valued at $37 billion during his state visit to Beijing. If he'll lobby Xi for Boeing, he'll be willing to help out GE, assuming he hasn't already.

COMAC need not worry.
 

Michael90

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I get where you're coming from: Trump definitely has a reputation for unpredictability, but he isn't stupid.

One of Trump's principal goals is to reduce America's trade deficit against China, and that's not going to happen unless China buys more American goods.

Knowing Trump, he may very well ask Xi to buy more LEAP 1-C turbofans, especially as fancy and expensive mechanical thingies that look yuuuge are great for photo ops that resonate with Trump's base!

In 2017, Trump helped Boeing secure a deal valued at $37 billion during his state visit to Beijing. If he'll lobby Xi for Boeing, he'll be willing to help out GE, assuming he hasn't already.

COMAC need not worry.
Agree. But zs they say : prepare for the worse, hope for the best.
 

zyklon

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Agree. But zs they say : prepare for the worse, hope for the best.

Nearly all of the foreign components are JV with factories in China. There was a list discussed here at SDF that showed a local firm for every part. Pretty obvious they are preparing for the worse.

If Trump was really ballsy, he'd demand Xi cancel the CJ-1000A program, or better yet, all the C9#9 programs, and buy American instead!

If that somehow occurs, not sure if Xi would flat out refuse, or agree on the condition of 100% localized production with full ToT from US joint venture partners like Boeing and GE on top of the establishment of joint R&D centers in China.

However, the Chinese aren't the Japanese, so even if Trump tried, there's about a zero percent chance that Washington can convince Beijing to sabotage its own domestic aviation industry.
 
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