Chinese Engine Development

sunnymaxi

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As far as I can tell, the allegations of the LEAP-1C's inferiority originated from dubious sources. Wikipedia had cited baseless speculation from a Forbes article, which never presented any actual evidence. If you have more reliable sources than these, I'd like to hear about them.

The allegations of the LEAP-1C's inferiority was previously refuted by taxiya in the C919 thread. But that was last year, so I don't know if there has been any new information since then.
thanks for the correction.. i actually don't know much about LEAP-1C in context with C919. i read it on google.
 

Alfa_Particle

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As far as I can tell, the allegations of the LEAP-1C's inferiority originated from dubious sources. Wikipedia had cited baseless speculation from a Forbes article, which never presented any actual evidence. If you have more reliable sources than these, I'd like to hear about them.

The allegations of the LEAP-1C's inferiority was previously refuted by taxiya in the C919 thread. But that was last year, so I don't know if there has been any new information since then.
I've actually heard that the LEAP-1C is the most advanced of the three, but I forgot in terms of what (could be power trans).
 

Michael90

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Nearly all of the foreign components are JV with factories in China. There was a list discussed here at SDF that showed a local firm for every part. Pretty obvious they are preparing for the worse.
That's good then. The question is if all western companies involved in the project have to pull out from the joint ventures can the chinese still carry on producing those products effectively? Hopefully the chinese partners have access to all the most sensitive core tech of the components and products they are producing under licence and joint venture. Though i know its rare for countries to provide their full core technologies to others they often keep the core/sensitive areas to themselves which is normal to be honest.
 

GiantPanda

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That's good then. The question is if all western companies involved in the project have to pull out from the joint ventures can the chinese still carry on producing those products effectively? Hopefully the chinese partners have access to all the most sensitive core tech of the components and products they are producing under licence and joint venture. Though i know its rare for countries to provide their full core technologies to others they often keep the core/sensitive areas to themselves which is normal to be honest.
Most of the avionics and other components for civilian airliners are not that technically out of reach for China -- with the exception of the engine. Depending on how the CJ1000/2000 are progressing, there might not that much out of reach even for engines.

The biggest issue is certification. I doubt China has a lot of issues with the basic tech undercarriage or the radar. But the West have certified firms supplying all these sub-systems for decades. Unless COMAC is embargoed they would obviously want to slowly phase in local suppliers instead of having to do it all at once.

Everything is really a test of time and the rising count of numbers. Enough flights with the C919 and later the C929 and C939, China will work in domestic players in the whole eco-system.
 

PopularScience

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Arrange and deploy the pre-production finalization work of ws-21 in 2025

公司召开2024年度预生产定型总结暨表彰大会

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2025年01月16日 23:58 贵州

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Kejora

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Arrange and deploy the pre-production finalization work of ws-21 in 2025

公司召开2024年度预生产定型总结暨表彰大会

看黎阳

2025年01月16日 23:58 贵州

1月15日,公司召开 2024年度预生产定型总结暨表彰大会。公司董事长、党委书记刘辉,总经理、党委副书记冯晗出席会议并讲话,副总经理、首席信息官张鹏飞,专务李玉林出席会议。公司总工程师、副总经理夏峥嵘主持会议。有关战略合作单位、公司项目经理、各单位领导及联络员参加会议。

会上,总结汇报了2024 年度预生产定型工作,回顾了取得的工作成效、存在的问题,并安排部署2025 年预生产定型工作;表彰了2024年预生产定型工作6个先进单位和十佳团队、十佳成果、十佳个人;检阅了各生产厂2024年度预生产定型成果。
It didn't mention WS-21
 

Alfa_Particle

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Arrange and deploy the pre-production finalization work of ws-21 in 2025

公司召开2024年度预生产定型总结暨表彰大会

看黎阳

2025年01月16日 23:58 贵州

1月15日,公司召开 2024年度预生产定型总结暨表彰大会。公司董事长、党委书记刘辉,总经理、党委副书记冯晗出席会议并讲话,副总经理、首席信息官张鹏飞,专务李玉林出席会议。公司总工程师、副总经理夏峥嵘主持会议。有关战略合作单位、公司项目经理、各单位领导及联络员参加会议。

会上,总结汇报了2024 年度预生产定型工作,回顾了取得的工作成效、存在的问题,并安排部署2025 年预生产定型工作;表彰了2024年预生产定型工作6个先进单位和十佳团队、十佳成果、十佳个人;检阅了各生产厂2024年度预生产定型成果。
If a Guizhou/Liyang military engine is under pre-production finalization in 2025 shouldn't it be the WS-19 instead?

The text didn't mention the WS-21 anyways.
 

OppositeDay

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Too many people are discussing passenger jet engines as if they're military engines. CJ-1000A will only be mass produced when Comac offers a C919 variant with CJ-1000A and receives orders for it. None of us knows when will it happen. Supposedly Comac is working on a fully domestic C919 (not just engines) and is targeting a 2028 certification. But so far it's only a rumor.

Correction: I thought 2028 was the target for certification of the fully domestic C919, but it is actually for the first flight. Certification will take another three years, so 2031.


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