Chinese Engine Development
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Well, they always have some spins on that.
we can't be sure until large squandron of fighters equipped with that, demonstrating mass production capility.
a few testing planes here and there with WS10A is not a good indication.
Is culture the cause of the economics or is the economics the cause of the culture?
In any case, you might be content to let the dongbei area decay and wither, but that doesn't do anything to help the growth of the Chinese economy. If you blame the region for the company's failures, you don't get anywhere by abandoning the region. If the company can get over the hurdles of producing a viable engine then it helps it be more successful in the future. A failure will continue to fail until it succeeds.
EDIATH
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I'm very curious about how many FWS10s can they produce annually, as FWS10 powers both J10 & J11 series, we could roughly deduce the size of future PLAAF fleet with the figure. Is there anyone could offer some insights about it?
My take is 2 regiments of J11B & J10B each per year, which requires 100+50=150 FWS10, plus 100 or so spare ones...that's a lot, isn't it?
My take is 2 regiments of J11B & J10B each per year, which requires 100+50=150 FWS10, plus 100 or so spare ones...that's a lot, isn't it?
well, we still need to see if they will put FWS-10A on J-10A yet. It is reliable enough to be on flankers, but can they say the same about J-10? As for J-10B, I think it'd be expecting higher thrust, so will it be able to beat out 99M series? I don't know. Unlike flankers, J-10 does have access to Russian engines.
EDIATH
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With 132KN thrust from FWS10A, J10A (9 tons empty weight + 4 tons fuel) would increase it's T/W ratio from 0.97 to 1. Then rumor says J10B went through the fat camp & came out 700kg lighter, which means a further improved T/W ratio close to 1.1, on par with F-15C!
I understand above calculation is beastly rough, yet we know WS10 was developed for J10 in the first place, it would be a shame if J10B ends up passing it off.
As to the legendary 99m(1?2?), the publicity is next to none. Even if it was invested by PLAAF as (again) rumor says, I couldn't help but doubt the commitment Saturn is willing to make on this: are they supposed to be working on 117s? Could it be another brewing IL76 fiasco? Would it be worth it to wait for 99m with less than 140kn thrust, in another 3 years perhaps, by which time the "local legend" WS10G might become operational?
Wishful thinking or not, I reckon WS10 series should be the only candidate powering the whole PLAAF 4.5 Gen. fleet. I'd be severely disappointed if Liming fails to make it happen, not again!!!:nono:
J-10A is lighter than 9 tons for empty weight. I can't imagine J-10B being lighter if they want to turn it into a multi-role plane. Why do you care how much publicity an engine has? At least the original batch of J-10B should be using AL-31, but it will probably be replaced by an uprated Taihang later. From the struggle they've had, I can't even say how long that'd take.
according to news, two of the advanced WS15 were completed. They are definitely will be ready for test flight when the J-XX test flight within next couple yrs.
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向红林人致敬！轴对称大推力矢量发动机研制成功标制着我四代机关键技术已经得到攻克，完全具备四代机技术储备条件，相信四代机首飞的日子不远了！国人热切期待我航空、材料、信息等多部门联合攻关四代机超俄赶美！！！
祝贺，再接再厉，尽快研制出“四代”机发动机，扬国威。
向所有为发动机研制工作付出艰辛劳动的科技工作者致敬！！！
向研发太行发动机的科研人员和工作人员致以最崇高的敬意！这个“心脏”没有不行，总是受制于人。有了这个“心脏”，再有了航母，我们的国家就更强大了！
俄美惊呼：中国最先进军用航空发动机已试制交付2台
三个月完成首台交付验收 两个月完成第二台套生产
中航工业红林各单位齐心协力确保某重点型号产品研制
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中航工业红林动控所设计四室是一支年青的设计团队，也是一支充满激情与活力的集体，而正是这支平均年龄不到26岁，没有设计实战经验的年轻人，承担着目前国内技术先进的重点型号产品研制任务。
该型号产品设计、加工难度大，部分零组件结构复杂，壳体铸造、冷热加工、装配调试与其他产品相比有相当大的难度，该型号产品也是设计四室在顺利完成某型号产品研制任务后，承担的又一重大研制任务。
此次型号项目研制得到了中航工业红林领导高度重视，短时间交付任务迫在眉睫，该公司动控所领导亲定由设计四室担此重任，成立重点型号保障组，建立专题攻关小组，逐项解决问题。
为满足型号产品的研制需要，该所设计四室在仔细研究了产品功能特性的基础上，按照国军标、航标以及其它有关标准的规定及主机的要求，对产品的转速、计量稳定性、电气布局等严格设计。
特别是在壳体结构设计过程中，由于其结构紧凑、流道复杂，加工难度大，设计人员利用工业上某种先进的扫描技术以及某设计软件平台建立三维模型，确保壳体设计的科学性、合理性。
同时，设计人员还充分利用UG软件建模功能，对某项形状复杂的零件工作型面开展设计，经过设计人员的集智攻关，通过采集该零件工作型面上的数据点，将所有数据点进行拟合，通过一次次曲线组的拟合和验证，解决了产品研制中的瓶颈。
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