Chinese Engine Development

asif iqbal

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
China can do many great things make railways at top of the world but for some reason when it comes to jet engines China has massive difficulty

this is 2009 and China still hasnt got a jet engine, it is chinas achilles heel
 
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latenlazy

Brigadier
Lundblad.Jeff said:
They have jet engines, but they do not have an engine that meets modern warfare requirements. I do think the WS-10a is coming very soon, but I am not sure it will ever be used on the J-10B. I think that the WS-10B will be used.

Not many countries have the capacity to manufacture modern jet engines. As far as I know, only the USA, Russia, France, and Britain. All of those countries have been industrial societies since the jet engine was invented and have had decades of experience in that area. China only recently became an industrial society, so they have a lot of catching up to do.
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I'm not 100% sure on this but it also does appear that the ws10a's specs are better than anything Britain and France has.
 
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Pointblank

Senior Member
latenlazy said:
I'm not 100% sure on this but it also does appear that the ws10a's specs are better than anything Britain and France has.
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Against the Snecma M88 or the Eurojet EJ200? Or even the F136? Which are more reliable and fuel efficient?

I would say the Russians themselves are about 2 decades behind us in engine technology, and the Chinese are at best about the same situation.
 
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latenlazy

Brigadier
Pointblank said:
Against the Snecma M88 or the Eurojet EJ200? Or even the F136? Which are more reliable and fuel efficient?

I would say the Russians themselves are about 2 decades behind us in engine technology, and the Chinese are at best about the same situation.
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I meant purely in terms of power. I think both the Snecma M88 and the EJ2000 have better T:W ratios? However, I have never seen the T:W specs for the WS-10A, so I wouldn't be sure about a T:W performance comparison.

The F136 is a joint production between GE and Rolls Royce, so I don't see it as a purely British development (though in this day and age such distinctions are probably irrelevant).

Reliability and fuel efficiency for future Chinese jet engines is definitely going to be an issue (it already is for the WS-10A), but I can only see this improving as China learns and industrial standards tighten. Just compare Made in China now to what it was a decade ago (though admittedly, consumer goods are an entirely different field from military hardware). Furthermore, if that chart of future engine developments we saw way back when is accurate, it should indicate that the WS-10 series has a vast growth potential.
 
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Roger604

Roger604

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Pointblank said:
Against the Snecma M88 or the Eurojet EJ200? Or even the F136? Which are more reliable and fuel efficient?

I would say the Russians themselves are about 2 decades behind us in engine technology, and the Chinese are at best about the same situation.
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Don't forget that China progresses at a much faster rate than Russia. There is a two decade gap but that two decade gap can be closed in about 10 years by China considering that USA and Europe don't have extra funds to throw into engine development given pressing things like WOT and economic downturn.
 
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Pointblank

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Roger604 said:
Don't forget that China progresses at a much faster rate than Russia. There is a two decade gap but that two decade gap can be closed in about 10 years by China considering that USA and Europe don't have extra funds to throw into engine development given pressing things like WOT and economic downturn.
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I don't think so. The Americans and the Europeans will continue to maintain their lead for a long time because of their tremendous experience in jet engines. General Electric, Pratt and Whitney, and Rolls Royce will continue to make significant strides in engine develop as demanded by aviation in the future. The Chinese may be able to catch up, but the West will continue to stay a step ahead for many reasons.
 
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challenge

Banned Idiot
latenlazy said:
I meant purely in terms of power. I think both the Snecma M88 and the EJ2000 have better T:W ratios? However, I have never seen the T:W specs for the WS-10A, so I wouldn't be sure about a T:W performance comparison.

The F136 is a joint production between GE and Rolls Royce, so I don't see it as a purely British development (though in this day and age such distinctions are probably irrelevant).

Reliability and fuel efficiency for future Chinese jet engines is definitely going to be an issue (it already is for the WS-10A), but I can only see this improving as China learns and industrial standards tighten. Just compare Made in China now to what it was a decade ago (though admittedly, consumer goods are an entirely different field from military hardware). Furthermore, if that chart of future engine developments we saw way back when is accurate, it should indicate that the WS-10 series has a vast growth potential.
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T:W ration for WS-10A is 7.5,but other problem was her MTBF,WS-10A like russian engine has notorious for short life span,nervertheless,new gen. of russian engine has longer life span,but still below that of US/europe.
 
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montyp165

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Pointblank said:
I don't think so. The Americans and the Europeans will continue to maintain their lead for a long time because of their tremendous experience in jet engines. General Electric, Pratt and Whitney, and Rolls Royce will continue to make significant strides in engine develop as demanded by aviation in the future. The Chinese may be able to catch up, but the West will continue to stay a step ahead for many reasons.
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History has many counterexamples to that, just as how the Germans caught up with British naval engineering from almost nothing to how the Soviets eventually matched (or even exceeded) many US tech developments, so for China to do similar is well within the realm of achievability.
 
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latenlazy

Brigadier
Pointblank said:
Against the Snecma M88 or the Eurojet EJ200? Or even the F136? Which are more reliable and fuel efficient?

I would say the Russians themselves are about 2 decades behind us in engine technology, and the Chinese are at best about the same situation.
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China doesn't have to burden of having to improve through groundbreaking technology. The rate of improvement of a country's tech industry is usually logarithmic, because once you're the top, you have to define what's new, rather than follow a path already clearly paved.
 
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Pointblank

Senior Member
montyp165 said:
History has many counterexamples to that, just as how the Germans caught up with British naval engineering from almost nothing to how the Soviets eventually matched (or even exceeded) many US tech developments, so for China to do similar is well within the realm of achievability.
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The Germans were able to catch up because the Brits caused the situation to go back to square one, and levelled the playing field. The Soviets caught up in a few cases because they either spent obscene amounts of money and resources in that field, or stole the technology off someone else.
 
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