Chinese Engine Development

The Germans were able to catch up because the Brits caused the situation to go back to square one, and levelled the playing field. The Soviets caught up in a few cases because they either spent obscene amounts of money and resources in that field, or stole the technology off someone else.

How did the British level the playing field? In order to build dreadnought-class a ship, a nation needed to have a massive amount of experience and expertise with naval engineering as well as a substantial, highly developed and sophisticated industrial base. We are talking about catching up in terms of technology and quality not in quantity. Way to miss the point.

Also, are you implying the Soviets spent significant more money than the US? Because if you are talking in relative terms, than there is absolutely no merit to your statement. In absolute terms, yes, but so did the US spend an obscene amount of money on defense-related R&D.
 
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latenlazy

Brigadier
The Germans were able to catch up because the Brits caused the situation to go back to square one, and levelled the playing field. The Soviets caught up in a few cases because they either spent obscene amounts of money and resources in that field, or stole the technology off someone else.

So you concede that countries that are technologically behind can and do catch up? Because now you're contention is about how countries can catch up to technological leaders, and not if they'll catch up. No one ever said how China will probably catch up quicker than you asserted. Just that it will.

Either way, both cases you've pointed out, the USSR stealing tech, and the British "causing the situation to go back to square one" are structural factors that prevent any country from accelerating their lead in technology too far ahead. "Stealing tech" is possible because the country behind has the advantage of following an already paved road which means it takes shorter time for them to develop equivalent technology to the front runner. "Going back to square one" is often due either to the fact that it takes longer to develop new ideas and technologies than to match old ones, or due to the fact that because a country is the front runner, new technological developments slow because it is not necessitated, or slow because they get too far ahead and cost becomes an issue. If you would like an example of this, just note the recent cancellation of the F-22 (not to say it won't be back, but it go so far ahead its cost and feasibility just didn't match up). No doubt slowing the procurement of the F-22 will be the other reason China and Russia will close the gap much quicker than one might think.

In any case, it appears we're going far off topic. Unless anyone has anything to say about the WS-10A or related developments I suggest we find somewhere else to discuss this before a mod busts our bums.
 

lilzz

Banned Idiot
True or False
If China cannot solve the WS10A problem then its WS15 program wouldn't proceed forward?


Or
Because WS15 is a different design therefore the two are independent of each other.
 

montyp165

Senior Member
True or False
If China cannot solve the WS10A problem then its WS15 program wouldn't proceed forward?


Or
Because WS15 is a different design therefore the two are independent of each other.

The WS-15 uses a core derived from the WS-9, so there is really no connection with the WS-10 program whatsoever.
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
The J-XX fighter will using WS-15. Is that possible J-XX fighter ready before the WS10A equipped J10 or J11?
The WS-10A has already completed R&D. Its problems are a problem of production quality. This is opposed to the WS-15 which hasn't even finished R&D yet. If they can't figure out how to fix issues in the WS-10A's production quality, you can bet your horses that the WS-15 will be stalled in its post-development stages just like the WS-10A is right now, because these quality issues are a problem with the industry as a whole.
 

lilzz

Banned Idiot
What's Rolls royce equvilaent of WS10A? Why couldn't China has license production of WS10A equivalent from RR instead of buying it from Russia?
After all, China did it with WS9 from RR.
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
What's Rolls royce equvilaent of WS10A? Why couldn't China has license production of WS10A equivalent from RR instead of buying it from Russia?
After all, China did it with WS9 from RR.

Umm...what? The WS-10A is an indigenously designed Turbofan, and has no relation to Russia or RR.
 

lilzz

Banned Idiot
Umm...what? The WS-10A is an indigenously designed Turbofan, and has no relation to Russia or RR.


Let's say RR has a model CMF-XX, it's functional equivalent equal or better than WS10A, and if RR willing let China license produce this, don't you think this would be better option than buying finished engine from Russia at the moment?
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
Let's say RR has a model CMF-XX, it's functional equivalent equal or better than WS10A, and if RR willing let China license produce this, don't you think this would be better option than buying finished engine from Russia at the moment?
No, because the whole point of developing an indigenous turbofan is to not have to rely on buying something foreign, which is a less dependable supply, particularly in the face of embargoes and conflicts. In any case, the WS-10A going through some production problems is not that alarming, and is no reason to abandon 20 years of work on a design that otherwise works just fine. There's nothing wrong or alarming about relying on a Russian engine the J-10 and J-11 were originally designed to use anyways for another year while they figure out the kinks in production.
 
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