see what we are talking, i am saying China has isolated itself, because China has complaigns by foreign companies of commercializing foreign developed tech, from Japanese trains Germans, americans or japanese car companies or Su-27s aka J-11B, if China acknowledges that is a whole different issue.
In Mexico we are not designing jet engines for a a mexican company, but for foreign companies, true, but the engineers have the knowledge and work for jet engines used on Airbus and Boeing aircraft.
And they make money as suppliers, do we care? no we do not, is not nationalism but money and jobs behind our aerospace industry
It is funny how you distort the whole thing "China is isolated". "No one want to deal with China because of intellectual theft".
I thought the opposite is true ,every multinational want to get a piece of Chinese market which will grew exponentially over time. Air transportation grew by leap and bound China built airport like crazy but even the 3 years brand new airport in Beijing is getting crowded now
Even now China is the largest market for American companies like Boeing, GM, Caterpillar, GE, Dutch Phillips.
With declining market in the west.This companies know in order to survive they cannot afford not to be in China even at the risk of intellectual theft. That is the price they are willing to pay in order to be in Chinese market. Most of them now have deep, multi dimension covering design, fabrication, research of new product in China. GM has a huge research car in Shanghai so does GE, and Boeing . you mention Honeywell Well almost all avionic company in US have joint venture in China and that include Honeywell, GE Avionic, Sundstrand and the rest
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GE ‘all in’ on aviation deal with China
By Howard Schneider,August 22, 2011
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GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. — At a General Electric flight simulator here, the visibility has been set at near zero to mimic thick rain and clouds. But a video console near the pilot shows a vivid picture of nearby mountains precise enough to allow a plane to take off or land despite the conditions.
The system is one of several highly valuable next-generation technologies that GE has developed — and that the company has passed along to China as part of a joint venture with the state-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC).
Access to the world’s second-largest economy is critical for nearly any global company. Yet this often comes at a cost: the transfer of the very technologies that leading business officials — including GE chief executive Jeffrey Immelt, who heads an Obama administration panel on U.S. jobs and competitiveness — cite as essential to the United States’ economic future. The “synthetic vision” system, for example, could be worth millions of dollars to airlines, which could significantly reduce costs from weather-related delays.
GE, like other companies, must weigh which technologies should be brought to joint ventures with China and how to protect them from being stolen or misused. These decisions face virtually any executive trying to develop a presence in the country — from the most sophisticated technology firms, which worry about software piracy, to old-line industrial equipment makers, which have seen knockoffs of their products pop up soon after making deals with Chinese partners.
Under the agreement with AVIC, GE avionics will be on board a new Chinese commercial airliner that is likely to become a rival to aircraft produced by U.S.-based Boeing and Europe’s Airbus. The potential competition with Boeing, coming at a time when the United States is fighting to maintain its own manufacturing base, has stirred some American criticism.
But GE executives say they have had no second thoughts. China’s airplane market is booming, and the deal was too important to pass up, they said, even at the cost of sharing the avionics technology.
“We are all in and we don’t want it back,” said Lorraine Bolsinger, chief executive of GE Aviation Systems. She said new airplanes don’t come along that often, and that the chance to be part of developing a major new aircraft is not to be missed — even if most of the jobs will be in Shanghai or elsewhere in China.
“We don’t sell bananas,” she said in an interview here. “We can’t afford to take a decade off.”
But American business leaders wonder privately whether companies such as GE are at risk of giving up long-term strategic advantages when they agree to technology-transfer deals for shorter-term gain.
GE Announces $100 Million Joint Venture in China to Grow Aeroderivative Gas Turbine Sector
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August 23, 2011
• $100 Million Agreement with Majority Shareholder Huadian Corp. to Accelerate Growth in China
• Could Lead to Development of More Than 1,000 Distributed Energy CHP Plants in China
• Supports GE’s U.S.-China Strategy to Spur Growth in Both Countries
SHANGHAI, CHINA—August 23, 2011—GE (NYSE: GE) and China Huadian Corporation today announced a joint venture to develop distributed energy combined heat and power (DECHP) projects that will provide electricity for consumers in China located close to the plants. GE is a leader in DECHP and other innovative energy solutions. Today’s announcement will help ensure continued U.S. energy leadership by expanding markets for American technology and services.
The $100 million joint venture company will be called Huadian GE Aero Gas Turbine Equipment Co., Ltd, with China Huadian owning the majority share. It will create opportunities for growth and further investment in GE aeroderivative gas turbines and services, accelerating growth in China while expanding capacity and capabilities.
“The joint venture agreement is another example of GE’s continued commitment to global relationships to meet the energy needs of today and tomorrow,” said Darryl Wilson, president and CEO—aeroderivative gas turbines for GE Power & Water. “The goal of this joint venture is to support the people of China by helping the country meet its need for more than 1,000 distributed energy combined heat and power plants in the next 10 years, while also supporting the U.S. energy technology industry. The joint venture is part of GE’s larger U.S.-China strategic relationship that will be a powerful spur to economic growth in both countries, enhance market confidence and encourage the rest of the world to follow in next generation of energy deployment.”
GE’s aeroderivative business, headquartered in Houston, Texas, brings power to hard-to-reach places by modifying highly reliable GE aviation engines to burn natural gas or biofuels to create energy. These power generation units range from 18-100 megawatts and represent the future of efficient and cleaner power generation. The highly flexible jet engine-based technology helps energy companies take advantage of the growing trend to use abundant, cleaner-burning natural gas for power generation.
DECHP technologies produce both electricity and useful thermal energy from a single fuel at a facility located near the consumers. These efficient systems recover heat that normally would be wasted in the power generation process—saving fuel that would otherwise be used to produce additional heat or steam in a separate unit.
Dozens of American suppliers from locations including Cincinnati and Cleveland, Ohio, Fort Collins, Colo., Portland, Ore., and Houston and Lufkin, Texas, will support the projects in China.
Today’s joint venture announcement between China Huadian Corporation and GE is part of a larger-scale commitment GE has made to China. Most recently:
• On November 9, 2010, GE announced plans to invest more than $2 billion into its efforts in China through 2012 to help tackle the country’s pressing energy and infrastructure needs. GE Chairman and CEO Jeff Immelt announced that the company plans to commit $500 million to enhance China R&D capabilities and establish new Customer Innovation Centers to better serve west, north, central and south China.
• On that same day, as part of the $2 billion investment, GE and State Grid Corporation of China (SGCC), China’s top power distributor and one of the world’s largest utilities, announced plans for several joint ventures to address China’s growing energy needs and to electrify its vast transportation infrastructure. These joint ventures will play a vital role in supporting the country’s energy demand through the development of a smarter grid that will help achieve environmental and economic goals.
• On January 5, 2011, GE announced that it had signed a contract with Jiangsu Tianue Energy & Chemical Group Co. Ltd, which is building a high-efficiency gas turbine power plant to utilize industrial dismissed gas into power and steam to meet increasing energy needs in the region. The power plant will be equipped with three aeroderivative gas turbines, which are the first LM2500+G4 units sold in China. GE’s aeroderivative gas turbines will use coke oven gas as fuel and turn it into electricity for the region.
