Chinese Economics Thread

[manqiangrexue]

Unique talents can meet existing R visa requirements quite easily which makes K visa redundant for them. Lowering standards only increases the chance of fraudulent people slipping through.

What is the difference between R visa and K visa? It's not just that the K visa has reduced requirments, or they would just reduce the requirements for R visa and go with that, right? We have to remember that there are people like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg who dropped out of college to do tech and won, so lowering the requirements only increases our selection pool but it does not mean that worse people can slip in without approval.

Indian international students already in china are not helping the situation by hyping how popular K visas are to their extended family members who are eager to move to china. They are already making claims of how Indians can solve china's demographic problem and expressing wishes that one day Chinese will all speak English to accommodate them.

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Indians have their dreams; why do we pretend that it's their choice to come to China when they please? It's China's choice to approve or disapprove of their application and I don't see any issue with hiring extremely cream of the crop Indians on a case-by-case approval basis especially since the K visa is not connected to employment so they cannot request their employers to lobby the government to approve other Indian K visas to allow them to start hiring their own for a take-over.

Wow, way too much information. Sorry about your PP not working, and you had to use IVF.

LOLOLOL Did my response sting you for so long it took almost a half an hour to come up with that? Sorry but another swing and another miss for you. Everyone here knows that I did IVF because I wanted to do surrogacy. In other words, I didn't want my wife's body to be harmed by 4 consecutive pregnancies so I hired women to become pregnant with her eggs and my sperm; I wanted to protect her figure because she's close to fitness competition level and post-partum changes are quite severe for the number of kids I want to have. Also, we were both almost 35 when the procedure started so having 4 naturally is going to be a big stretch for her.

I'm sorry, my life is pretty perfect. You're not gonna land any lucky punches here, sad little fellow. But it is funny when you try and continuously oscillate between trying to insult me and revealing your inner fear of Indians.

 

[proelite]

Looks like someone is going to have a vacation soon.

 

[manqiangrexue]

Sure, sure. Must be hard when you can’t satisfy your wife, so you had to delegate it to Indians. Or was that her decision? Hard to be a man when you can’t get it up, huh?

Well, looks like that last one cleaned you out. With all that projection, are you sure you're Chinese and not American? The last time I saw that much projection, it was American politicians trying to criticize China for a genocide while ignoring the one in Palestine, Mr. Falsum.

 

[enroger]

And I personally think the Chinese netizens overestimate the attraction of our motherland

This is on point. If we ignore the all the negative propaganda, language is also a huge barrier. So the person must be 1) willing to come to China 2) can deal with the language and 3) highly educated. I don't imagine there're a lot of people that fit those bills, there is not gonna be a flood like some people imagined.

In any case, CPC will run this like a science experiment just like everything else they do. They'll slowing turn on the spigot and observe the result, adjust the rate of influx as they go.

 

[Jiang ZeminFanboy]

Backlash based on imagination will not affect CPC at all, it does not work in this way.
The ruthless (positive way) central government must see the real consequence first.
And I personally think the Chinese netizens overestimate the attraction of our motherland, especially for those country heavily affected by western media.
The really big groups of legal or illegal immigrants in China is from SEA and South Korea.

Yeah, no. Backlash from changes in immigration policy just did few years ago cancel the big program for getting easier permanent residency in China for foreignerers.
K-Visa should be cancelled. IMO it would be better if China done easier immigration policy for low quality workers just from near countries like Vietnam, Cambodia, Myanmar, Philippines. So they could come and work in factories, or as a maids. People could get in big mainland Chinese cities Filipina maids like in Hongkong.

China has already too many graduates, and not enough factory workers (even though fast automatization is going on). For special talent visa already exist.

 

[manqiangrexue]

Ok, you won this round,

Were we sparring? I thought I was just educating a child who is deficient in reading comprehension, political science, and biological sciences causing him to rage at foreigners, CCP, visa programs, anything that can distract from his own problems.

Mr. Can't get it up.

I know you're just throwing shit at the wall hoping something sticks but just for your education, which is greatly lacking in all areas, you need to get it up to provide the semen sample for IVF. They do not surgically retrieve it from you.

Good Night.

Night. Try not to have nightmares about Indians LOL

 

[texx1]

That's a ridiculous take.
China needs high quality human talent.

And sometimes that talent only has a bachelor's degree eg. Bill gates, Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak etc.

High talent people who have vision and can start world class leading companies. These companies that start in China will then offer high paying jobs to other Chinese citizens, increasing the salary, increasing their wage.

Equating this to the OCP is disingenuous. Even if there isn't the OCP, how does china make sure all those extra births are high quality individuals ? No, they would make competition ever more fierce, and difficult for families to focus on their child, perhaps even causing child neglect.

Concern trolling that this would let in more low level or low class immigration that crowd out Chinese workers is just making assumptions and trying to incite emotional negativity toward the CPC. I mean how do you know who they will let in? Let's see who gets in before making assumptions.

The CPC needs to watch and not let this anger get hijacked by other interests.

Last month, Chinese youth unemployment just hit a record high. Xi recently made numerous public statements against involution. Chinese domestic job market can't even absorb Chinese university grads. CCP decides to open an easier pathway for foreign bachelor grads to seek jobs in china as if china doesn't have enough high talent bachelor graduates. Remember Jack ma only has a BA. With such high youth employment, Chinese netizens who are mostly young are certainly going to be angry about this.

As for the single child policy element, CCP didn't give those aborted babies a chance to grow and prove themselves. Who knows how many Isaac Newton like geniuses were terminated in their mothers' wombs.

Given the disaster of how many low quality international students got pass the admission process and managed to enroll in Chinese university. Many Chinese are rightfully concern about the same thing can happen again with K visa.

 

[manqiangrexue]

Last month, Chinese youth unemployment just hit a record high. Xi recently made numerous public statements against involution. Chinese domestic job market can't even absorb Chinese university grads. CCP decides to open an easier pathway for foreign bachelor grads to seek jobs in china as if china doesn't have enough high talent bachelor graduates. Remember Jack ma only has a BA. With such high youth employment, Chinese netizens who are mostly young are certainly going to be angry about this.

As for the single child policy element, CCP didn't give those aborted babies a chance to grow and prove themselves.

So... you want them all to be born to further increase the youth unemployment or you want more to be terminated to drop the unemployment rate? When it comes to foreigners working in China, we discuss it (again, same point) at the bottom.

Who knows how many Isaac Newton like geniuses were terminated in their mothers' wombs.

With youth unemployment so high, who knows where they'd be working, how many Alexandr Wangs and Jensen Huangs were terminated to prevent the excess from strengthening foreign talent pools or sucking away resources from Chinese education to feed them.

Given the disaster of how many low quality international students got pass the admission process and managed to enroll in Chinese university. Many Chinese are rightfully concern about the same thing can happen again with K visa.

They can be concerned but they need to watch what happens. If the K visa is made to increase existing talent that is already an excess in China, then it is likely a mistake. If it was made to introduce lacking talent to catalyze China's tech landscape then it's a great thing. And let's not forget, at a time when America is becoming hostile to foreign tech talent, the added bonus is sucking away America's resources.

 

[FriedRiceNSpice]

With youth unemployment so high, who knows where they'd be working, how many Alexandr Wangs and Jensen Huangs were terminated to prevent the excess from strengthening foreign talent pools or sucking away resources from Chinese education to feed them.

Alexander Wangs are a dime a dozen in China. Sure he was a smart kid, but would have just ended up as a regular engineer in China.

 

[PandaAI]

Because trickles can turn into a deluge. We all saw what happened in the West: from a few guest workers to millions within a generation. Once an interest group is entrenched, it is hard to root out. Under the one-child policy, forced abortions and foreign adoptions became an industry, with officials often corrupted, fighting to keep it going to the detriment of China’s demography.

This point is very true. Once the addiction to foreign labour takes hold, it’s very difficult to undo it. Corporations will pressure government officials and think tanks to get their cheap labour. You are already seeing Chinese companies offshoring for cheap labour like you saw with Western companies. Next phase is bringing in foreign workers. It starts with ‘high quality’ talent and overtime the threshold gets lower and lower and you end up bringing in millions of cheap labour using the excuse ‘locals don’t want to do those jobs’. This is what happened in the West. Now locals can’t get any jobs and young people can’t get experience using entry level jobs as they are all filled with cheap foreign workers. This leads to anger and people aim at the political leaders that allowed this to happen.

If this is to bring in high quality STEM overseas Chinese, Europeans or East Asians from highly reputable universities then fine. However this visa can be seriously abused using loopholes if any university in the world is allowed.

Look how Indians have abused the American visa programs. Indians create shell companies and buy degrees to get these visas. They have mastered this industry. Indian government trade deals made with various countries where you agree to bring in Indians in exchange for access to the Indian market is how India pressures these countries to bring in Indians. Indian government strategy is to export their population and bring in remittances. These visa programs get expanded under bilateral trade agreements and agreements under BRICS.