Chinese Economics Thread

[manqiangrexue]

You are the angry one here, spitting venom and calling for the culling of people who disagree with you,

The CCP wanted to get rid of uneducated people like you who use words you don't even understand and can't read what a visa means long before I did. To be frank, I'm angry and disappointed at you losers who are supposedly Chinese. I have never considered myself liberal or PC. I have always said that China is a nation for the Chinese to prove to the world that we are the best. But the insecurity I've seen here is disheartening. The K-visa is literally an attempt to snipe the top young tech/STEM talent of foreign countries so that they can serve their usefullness to China and then go home. And what do I see here?

1. This is mass migration! Allowing any skilled foreign talent to enter your country for a brief period is replacing the Chinese population!
2. Indians!!! Ahhh Indians everywhere! They're gonna take over our country!!
3. It's a slippery slope! Once you let one foreigner in, all of them keep pouring in until you don't have a country anymore!
4. They'll take all our women (because we're such unattractive losers)!!

Goddamn you guys are such scared insecure losers. I hope/wish you weren't Chinese. You're a disgrace. One of the most satisfying things about watching the West fail is seeing their insecure losers cry that they're being replaced by foreigners and now I have to see this weak shit in my own country...

just like an incel usually would do.

I'm married with 3 kids, 1 on the way. That's how hard you always miss LMFAO

K visa requirements are so low, it only requires a bachelor degree. It also does not need any Chinese employers' invitation letter. Workers don't even need to secure a Chinese employer before applying for a visa.

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Minimum academic requirement for K visa is only a bachelor degree (学士学位及以上).


Applicants don't even need any offer of employment from a Chinese domestic company (不要求国内有聘用或邀请单位)

BTW for truly exceptional talents wanting to work in china, China has R visa on offer for many years already.

I've wrote on this before, it all depends on how it's implemented. I'm fairly sure that it's not to approve of all applicants who meet the minimum requirements, but rather that the minimum requirements must be met to even be considered. And when they are considered, only those with uniquely needed talents will be invited.

 

[FriedRiceNSpice]

No Indian university is reputable enough to get past the requirements, I bet. If K VISA will be given in more than 20k per year to people outside the Chinese descent, I'll eat Indian slob food for a month, which I hate.

I say put IIT (all the good campuses) on the list of acceptable universities. Indian food is not all bad, butter chicken is pretty good. Oh wait, opps that's actually British, and one of the only two good British dishes (other being fish and chips). Guess lamb biyirani is alright.

It's going to depend on how they handle the K-visa. I think it's certainly not that anyone meeting the requirements is accepted, but rather that anyone failing the requirements is automatically rejected and of those who meet the requirements, they are further screened to determine whether or not they possess some skill that would heavily benefit China to have. So in other words, it's not going to allow a flooding of the Chinese skilled labor market with more of what's there but only to introduce/supplement what we're lacking. Done this way, no one has anything to complain about.

So basically what the H1b should've been, before being abused by greedy corporations?

And anyone advocating for population growth in China must not understand the degree of the involution experienced by the current generation of Chinese. Suggesting anything other than a managed and gradual population decrease is criminal.

 

[august1]

As someone who actually lives in China, I have to say Indians aren't even that bad here. Citizens of a certain "iron brother" are categorically worse.

 

[MortyandRick]

CCP implemented strict single child policy which led to the force abortion of millions of Chinese babies. In the end it's to make room for foreigners. No wonder there is so much outrage on Chinese social media regarding K visa.

That's a ridiculous take.
China needs high quality human talent.

And sometimes that talent only has a bachelor's degree eg. Bill gates, Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak etc.

High talent people who have vision and can start world class leading companies. These companies that start in China will then offer high paying jobs to other Chinese citizens, increasing the salary, increasing their wage.

Equating this to the OCP is disingenuous. Even if there isn't the OCP, how does china make sure all those extra births are high quality individuals ? No, they would make competition ever more fierce, and difficult for families to focus on their child, perhaps even causing child neglect.

Concern trolling that this would let in more low level or low class immigration that crowd out Chinese workers is just making assumptions and trying to incite emotional negativity toward the CPC. I mean how do you know who they will let in? Let's see who gets in before making assumptions.

The CPC needs to watch and not let this anger get hijacked by other interests.

 

[JayFalsum]

As someone who actually lives in China, I have to say Indians aren't even that bad here. Citizens of a certain "iron brother" are categorically worse.

Cut from the same cloth, the grooming gangs in UK, mostly Pakistanis.

 

[texx1]

The CCP wanted to get rid of uneducated people like you who use words you don't even understand and can't read what a visa means long before I did. To be frank, I'm angry and disappointed at you losers who are supposedly Chinese. I have never considered myself liberal or PC. I have always said that China is a nation for the Chinese to prove to the world that we are the best. But the insecurity I've seen here is disheartening. The K-visa is literally an attempt to snipe the top young tech/STEM talent of foreign countries so that they can serve their usefullness to China and then go home. And what do I see here?

1. This is mass migration! Allowing any skilled foreign talent to enter your country for a brief period is replacing the Chinese population!
2. Indians!!! Ahhh Indians everywhere! They're gonna take over our country!!
3. It's a slippery slope! Once you let one foreigner in, all of them keep pouring in until you don't have a country anymore!
4. They'll take all our women (because we're such unattractive losers)!!

Goddamn you guys are such scared insecure losers. I hope/wish you weren't Chinese.

I'm married with 3 kids, 1 on the way. That's how hard you always miss LMFAO

I've wrote on this before, it all depends on how it's implemented. I'm fairly sure that it's not to approve of all applicants who meet the minimum requirements, but rather that the minimum requirements must be met to even be considered. And when they are considered, only those with uniquely needed talents will be invited.

Unique talents can meet existing R visa requirements quite easily which makes K visa redundant for them. Lowering standards only increases the chance of fraudulent people slipping through.

Indian international students already in china are not helping the situation by hyping how popular K visas are to their extended family members who are eager to move to china. They are already making claims of how Indians can solve china's demographic problem and expressing wishes that one day Chinese will all speak English to accommodate them.

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来中国学习
我问阿迪尔，为什么会选择来中国读书？
他说，中国上学不要钱，我认为中国未来会发展成一个很发达的国家。目前中国将面临年轻人口短缺的问题，刚好印度人可以帮助中国人解决这个困难，我们印度有很多人才正在供应全世界，比如我的同学有去加拿大，澳大利亚，欧洲……

对K签证如何看？
我说，最近有一个中国工作签证，名字叫K签证。
他回答，这个信息我也知道，这个新闻已经在印度很多地方爆了，我已经接到好多印度的朋友的信息，让我问清楚，怎么可以来中国。
我说，但是中国明显没有欧美西方经济发达，你们应该优选西方国家啊。
他说，这个我不会担心，现在中国年轻人的英语程度正在不断提高，我相信等外国人大批到来，中国英语普及度会越来越高。

Asked about why he came to china to study

He said that education in China is free, and I believe China will develop into a highly advanced nation in the future. Currently, China faces a shortage of young people, and Indians can help address this challenge. India has a wealth of talent serving the global community—for instance, my classmates have gone to Canada, Australia, Europe...

When asked his thoughts on K visa?
I said, “There's a new Chinese work visa called the K visa.”
He replied, “I know about that too. The news has already gone viral in many parts of India. I've gotten messages from several Indian friends asking me to find out how they can come to China.”
I said, “But China clearly isn't as economically developed as Western countries like Europe and America. You should prioritize Western nations.”
He said, “I'm not worried about that. Chinese youth's English proficiency is steadily improving. I believe once large numbers of foreigners arrive, English adoption in China will only accelerate.”

 

[enroger]

Lets wait and see how the K-visa is executed in practice everyone go on outrage, I highly doubt they're gonna let anyone from some random ass university in.

As for Indians, if they come from top rate Indian institution then I don't mind, let them prove their worth in China's market. I'll reserve my outrage until I see random pajeet shitting on the sideway.

Historically Chinese culture has always been able to assimilate foreign culture without fail, just the population mass alone is enough to ensure that.

 

[gk1713]

Backlash based on imagination will not affect CPC at all, it does not work in this way.
The ruthless (positive way) central government must see the real consequence first.
And I personally think the Chinese netizens overestimate the attraction of our motherland, especially for those country heavily affected by western media.
The really big groups of legal or illegal immigrants in China is from SEA and South Korea.

 

[JayFalsum]

LOLOLOL Yes, I'm sure. Not only from appearance, but with IVF, each child has paternity/maternity genetically confirmed to ensure the client that there were no mix ups in any procedurre.

What did Indians do to make you so scared of them? Were you once a happy, fearless man until your wife birthed a half Indian child as you watched? Is that why they're all over your mind and haunt your soul?

Wow, way too much information. Sorry about your PP not working, and you had to use IVF.

 

[manqiangrexue]

Unique talents can meet existing R visa requirements quite easily which makes K visa redundant for them. Lowering standards only increases the chance of fraudulent people slipping through.

What is the difference between R visa and K visa? It's not just that the K visa has reduced requirments, or they would just reduce the requirements for R visa and go with that, right? We have to remember that there are people like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg who dropped out of college to do tech and won, so lowering the requirements only increases our selection pool but it does not mean that worse people can slip in without approval.

Indian international students already in china are not helping the situation by hyping how popular K visas are to their extended family members who are eager to move to china. They are already making claims of how Indians can solve china's demographic problem and expressing wishes that one day Chinese will all speak English to accommodate them.

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Indians have their dreams; why do we pretend that it's their choice to come to China when they please? It's China's choice to approve or disapprove of their application and I don't see any issue with hiring extremely cream of the crop Indians on a case-by-case approval basis especially since the K visa is not connected to employment so they cannot request their employers to lobby the government to approve other Indian K visas to allow them to start hiring their own for a take-over.

Wow, way too much information. Sorry about your PP not working, and you had to use IVF.

LOLOLOL Did my response sting you for so long it took almost a half an hour to come up with that? Sorry but another swing and another miss for you. Everyone here knows that I did IVF because I wanted to do surrogacy. In other words, I didn't want my wife's body to be harmed by 4 consecutive pregnancies so I hired women to become pregnant with her eggs and my sperm; I wanted to protect her figure because she's close to fitness competition level and post-partum changes are quite severe for the number of kids I want to have. Also, we were both almost 35 when the procedure started so having 4 naturally is going to be a big stretch for her.

I'm sorry, my life is pretty perfect. You're not gonna land any lucky punches here, sad little fellow. But it is funny when you try and continuously oscillate between trying to insult me and revealing your inner fear of Indians.