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balance

Junior Member
China can lose $100 billion if TPP passes? That's a concern.


U.S. Blocks China Efforts to Promote Asia Trade Pact
Tussle Involves Regional Influence, Billions of Dollars in Trade

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BEIJING—The U.S. has blocked China’s efforts to use a leaders’ summit to begin negotiations on a free-trade zone spanning the Pacific, people close to the matter said, as the world’s two largest economies tussle over influence in the region and billions of dollars in trade.

China, the host of this year’s Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum on Nov. 10-11, has sought to highlight its expanding international role by pressing for a pact known as the Free Trade Area of the Asia Pacific.

Beijing’s free-trade zone has been on the agenda of APEC for years—and was initially pushed by the U.S.—but has been relegated to the back burner as the U.S. has poured its efforts into the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a trade pact it is negotiating with 11 nations that include Japan but not China.

For Beijing, the FTAAP would offer a way to ensure that it continues to get preferential access to some of its largest trading partners. A TPP deal would cost China about $100 billion a year in lost exports as the partners trade more among themselves and less with China, according to an estimate by the Peterson Institute for International Economics, in Washington.

“China wanted to reinvigorate” FTAAP, said Alan Bollard, executive director of APEC, an association of 21 economies including the U.S., China, Russia and Japan, whose leaders meet annually and whose decisions are taken by consensus. The APEC leaders’ summit next week will be the first major international conference held in Beijing since Xi Jinping took power as Communist Party chief.

Under U.S. pressure, Beijing dropped two provisions from the draft of an APEC communiqué to be released at the end of the leaders’ session, negotiators said. The statement no longer calls for an FTAAP “feasibility study”—trade lingo for starting negotiations—and has no target date to finish the deal. China wanted 2025 as an end date.

A U.S. Trade Representative spokesman said the U.S. and China are working on a “constructive proposal” for how APEC can further FTAAP under what the spokesman called a “long-term vision” that builds on other trade deals.

Starting work on it now, Washington fears, would hobble its efforts to complete the TPP, which has stalled on several fronts, such as how to handle state-owned enterprises or Japan’s agricultural subsidies.

“The U.S. is afraid that setting up a parallel process for different negotiations would deflect attention from TPP,” said Fred Bergsten, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute. “Plus, if Congress thought China was getting into [negotiations] with the U.S., it would raise additional problems.”

Lu Feng, a Beijing University economist, said “there is a game going on between the two countries.” The U.S. pushes forward its proposals. But “the Chinese government doesn’t just want to wait” for the Americans, Mr. Lu said. “China wants to do something else.”

At times, the trade discussions have gotten heated. During an August negotiating session in Beijing, a U.S. delegate said that “my minister has made it abundantly clear” that the U.S. won’t agree to language that would signal the start of FTAAP negotiations, according to three officials familiar with the discussions. Still, China continued to press for the provisions.

After an Oct. 14 Kyodo News Service report that China’s FTAAP language was still in the draft communiqué caused an uproar in APEC circles, China relented, according to officials involved in the talks. Beijing dropped the controversial language in a draft it circulated to APEC members on Oct. 16 and is no longer pushing for it, the officials said.

The FTAAP won’t be absent from the talks: APEC negotiators will work over the coming week to further define it. Members have agreed to examine how other trade deals in the region could affect it, said Mr. Bollard, the APEC executive director.

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said in a speech on Thursday that the APEC talks would boost FTAAP by helping to consolidate various trade pacts. China’s APEC office and commerce ministry didn’t respond to requests for comment.

The scuffle over trade policy is the second recent example of the U.S. challenging Chinese international economic ambitions. The U.S. has also lobbied hard against Chinese plans for a new infrastructure development bank, said Western economic officials, including during teleconferences of the Group of Seven major industrial powers. The U.S. argued that a Chinese-dominated Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank could undercut standards used by other development banks, and might work primarily to boost Chinese firms.Washington circulated a June report by the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences that said the bank would help Chinese infrastructure companies plagued by excess capacity.

The bank is still being launched but without European and some major Asian countries.

Mr. Bergsten of the Peterson Institute said U.S. tactics are shortsighted. It should instead join the infrastructure bank, he said, and work from the inside to influence its direction.

“We keep saying, ‘We want China to show leadership,’ ” he said. “But when they take the lead, we say, ‘No, it doesn’t meet our tests.’ ”
 

shen

Senior Member
I think that assume China doesn't join TPP. but the lost for China is more than offset by gain from Asian trade agreement such as RCEP. RCEP is set to conclude negotiation by 2015. FTAAP is best for everyone, but the US is worried by the stalled TPP negotiation and don't want the distraction of another negotiation.

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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
That's really not the case China loses out because China buys more from most of these countries that are a part of the initial membership of TPP than the other way around. They need China to buy from them. Made in China outsourced products by American corporations don't give a lot of money back to China. So what does China lose? China is the center of TPP because if it's so great for everyone, why haven't they established this long before? China wouldn't have been included back then either. The only reason why now is to prevent China's led free trade pact. China leading such a powerful organization diminishes US economic global influence. Same why the US wants no one to join China's Asian bank. Obama wants China the last country to join TPP because it will be just like joining the WTO. Countries wanting in have to negotiate with every country that is a member of WTO before it in order to be accepted in the WTO. That means the joining member is the one that has to make concessions. Critics of TPP have said it gives the US the power to change the laws in other countries. Why would any country agree to that? Look at Canada's outrage over some agreement that gives China the ability to sue to have Canadian laws changed. The only reason why they would agree to it is having the higher ground in negotiations with China, the prize and center piece, when it joins. They need China in for it to work.

Remember, this was all before where Obama thought he could take on China because he believed in the stereotype that China needs the US more than the other way around. He thought China would yield under pressure, isolation, and when confronted especially in a gang-up along side other countries. It has not gone as planned. I posted an article in the World News thread where Obama's pro-Japan Asian foreign policy advisor, Kurt Campbell, just admitted US strategy towards China has failed. Why doesn't the US want China's led free trade idea discussed at the APEC meeting coming next week? Because he doesn't want TPP diminished? If everyone wants to rather join TPP, what does Obama have to worry about? Japan is being hardnosed over TPP negotiations with the US because they know it's always been about China and if Obama wants Japan to go along, they're going to be extra tough because they have nothing to lose. If TPP fails, the US will have antagonized China and needs Japan ever more than ever. It's the status quo that they like as usual. The only way for Obama to circumvent Japanese stubbornness is to have TPP negotiations with China. That's goes against the whole point of Obama's TPP strategy and that isn't going to happen.
 

Doombreed

Junior Member
The TPP isn't just an economic platform. It has tremendous political implications and geostrategic impacts. But since those topics are haram. Suffice to say that China will NEVER be in the TPP.

My humble 2c only. Prove me wrong, world.
 

shen

Senior Member
The TPP isn't just an economic platform. It has tremendous political implications and geostrategic impacts. But since those topics are haram. Suffice to say that China will NEVER be in the TPP.

My humble 2c only. Prove me wrong, world.

I have faith in the greedy American capitalists will lobby their way through any geostrategic roadblock.
 

shen

Senior Member
Greed is universal and doesn't belong to any race or nationality. Your choice of word is unnecessarily inflammatory just to make a point.

Greedy Chinese capitalists can't lobby the US government. that's my point.
 
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