Chinese Economics Thread

Bellum_Romanum

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CNBC article about china losing manufacturing to other countries.

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Yep, like i said here years ago, the increase in labour (and other) costs will erode china´s appeal as an exporting nation. COVID lockdowns will only exacerbate this trend.
Ain't that a good thing to you whiny westerners that always complain of low value MIC products? And as others have mentioned Chinese industries are simply moving up in high value products since their economy has risen to the point that labour costs has gone up as well. These trends and changes are just natural phenomenon in most countries that experienced high growth rate for decades.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Hubei province, a 26-floor pig farm complete with AC, sewage recycling system, clean energy, breeding system and showers for the pigs...

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I'm thinking whether some of the apartment and condomimium high-rises in China that are presently overbuilt, left unused and unoccuopied for years can be repurposed for agriculture?

Say, either animal farms akin to the one shown above (although the pig farm could be purpose-built instead), or hydroponic plantations for growing crops?
 

Strangelove

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I'm thinking whether some of the apartment and condomimium high-rises in China that are presently overbuilt, left unused and unoccuopied for years can be repurposed for agriculture?

Say, either animal farms akin to the one shown above (although the pig farm could be purpose-built instead), or hydroponic plantations for growing crops?

Probably not, nearby residents would go ape shit and these type of vertical farming needs special zoning far away from existing residential areas; hydroponics would be more feasible.

"Overbuilt" apartments will get occupied eventually, there's still another decade or two of urbanisation to go...
 

olalavn

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CNBC article about china losing manufacturing to other countries.

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Yep, like i said here years ago, the increase in labour (and other) costs will erode china´s appeal as an exporting nation. COVID lockdowns will only exacerbate this trend.
why are the west crying, should they be happy? because they won't have good cheap products from China
 

supercat

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They must have listened to a different speech than I did. He clearly stated that China aims for a per capita GDP similar to a mid level developed country, ie around 20,000 USD, which was previously declared a target. Pretty sure countries like Lithuania and Portugal count as mid level developed and they're a bit above 20k USD. Of course this number is going to change with very high inflation in "advanced" economies, so it's better not to target a specific number, but a specific peer group



He literally called development the top priority of the party. Of course development should include more than simple GDP per capita, it includes technological development as well.

During an economic war with a great power that is suffering from many insecurities and is obsessed with gaining face it's dangerous to proclaim openly that you're going to displace them as the largest economy. It's better to be polite and not point out that China will soon be larger in nominal terms
The most glaring mistake when calculating nominal GDP this way is to ignore the effects of yuan appreciation. For example, if China grows 4-5% a year for the next five years, and you add 2% yuan appreciation a year, the actual growth rate will be 6-7% a year for the nominal GDP. As China's economy develops, the chance of RMB appreciation far outweighs depreciation.

CNBC article about china losing manufacturing to other countries.

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Yep, like i said here years ago, the increase in labour (and other) costs will erode china´s appeal as an exporting nation. COVID lockdowns will only exacerbate this trend.
I don't think it's a big deal. China's domestic market is large enough to absorb any export losses for now. In fact, China needs to encourage internal consumption to reduce reliance on exports.
 
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