Chinese Economics Thread

Overbom

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Services consumption has now become monetization of previously free activities. Charging for what was previously free is destruction of value.
The US is indeed excessive on its consumption habits.

We should aim to develop consumption, but not to that extend. This is where a strong state is important in order set up guardrails against the disorderly expansion of capital
 

Chish

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Lower consumption growth than gdp growth means that China consumption share is decreasing, China still hasn't achieved the share level from 2019. Since covid, only 2021 year was positive to reduce the imbalance between consumption growth and gdp growth.
China consumptions is not growing as much because of the present economic situation. Chinese/ East Asians tend to be more conservative in spending by choice during uncertain times. They tend to save now, spend later. Consumptions will increase as confidence return. Chinese spendings habits are completely different to that of the US or Australia where the norms are spend now pay later and in the process accumulate massive household debts, encouraged by government policies of spend, spend, spend, with generous handouts, lower taxes and low interest rates. Also because of coming elections in both countries, hard and prudent policies will not be applied until after the elections, resulting in high inflations make worse by supply chain problems.
 
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horse

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What's certain is that it's going to be a very long and very hard battle to dethrone the US economy and the dollar dominance and that battle has only begun.

That I do not buy.

My guess is that what is going to happen to the USD is the same thing that happened to the British Pound. It slides into a lesser status depreciating along the way.

Maybe 50 years ago, the Pound was worth 5x times it is today. Forget. Imagine the dollar being a quarter of its value 20-30 years from now. That is very realistic, with the money printing.


The inflation picture is very interesting too.

It is the EV, where the government mandates the end to the internal combustion engine. There is not enough of those minerals required for this industrial transformation. That means built in inflation.

Going forward, seems like the dollar will buy less and less.


The dollar is going up today because the United States was successful in taking the opportunity of the Russia Ukraine war to turn most of Europe into obedient vassal states. The dollar has increased in value to most European currencies, but the dollar does not gain ground on the RMB, that is the other way around for that.

If China did not suppress the RMB value, the Chinese currency would go up a lot. They want to maintain exports, so the value of the RMB remains constant. Eventually they will have to anyways.


Right now, it is a twin threat to the value of the USD, in the long run. Increasing costs due to industrial changes requiring more minerals which the United States do not have, and the rise of China and the RMB.

As far as China is concern, the value of the dollar is not really their concern. They have enough to deal with with governance of the country as it is.
 

horse

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But ... we see ... there is the interesting trick ...

The US dollar is the reserve currency of the world.

Almost everyone expects the USD to decrease in value relative to commodities and to the Chinese currency RMB.

That is the trick here.

How much of a depreciating asset are people willing to hold?

If something is going down, we're suppose to sell it, right?

Yet, there are some commentators expect people to hold on to dollars because it is the reserve currency, even if it is going down.

Guess those same people have a hole in their heads.

Some commentators in the Western media really don't have two nickels to rub together.


This crisis in Europe, caused the USD to rally against European currencies. That makes sense. There was a crisis in Europe, and hence, European currencies fell.

Sooner or later, there will be another financial event in the United States that will be a crisis. If it turns into a dollar crisis, then it can get very interesting.
 

Petrolicious88

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No, both is important. Countless examples where China's growth and development was setback or impeded because their lack of soft power in certain areas that let the US sell a convincing China = bad narrative. Lets see here:

BRI projects put on hold or scaled back due to China not being able to counter the "debt trap" narrative.​
Huawei and ZTE"s international expansion plans and growth in new markets made harder due to "spying" claims that China couldn't effectively counter.​
Strikes and riots in Chinese owned mines in Africa due to false narratives that Chinese owners are exploiting and abusing workers.​
Uyghur genocide and slave labor accusations leading to various Xinjiang industries being set back due to product bans impacting global sales of Chinese and international companies using Xinjiang cotton.​

Softpower is efficient and effective because we're seeing it effectively being used against China in just those above examples alone. Each of those have a material yuan cost against China or Chinese companies.

Before the South Korean government made a concerted effort to encourage K -Pop in the 90s, it realized Jurassic Park the movie made more money than all the cars Hyundai sold that year.

The Beatles, Disney World, McDonald’s (for better or worse), etc..influenced entire generations of people. None of these have anything to do with Us strength in military or tech.

People that lack soft power down plays it’s importance. Both soft and hard power are important.
 

zgx09t

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Before the South Korean government made a concerted effort to encourage K -Pop in the 90s, it realized Jurassic Park the movie made more money than all the cars Hyundai sold that year.

The Beatles, Disney World, McDonald’s (for better or worse), etc..influenced entire generations of people. None of these have anything to do with Us strength in military or tech.

People that lack soft power down plays it’s importance. Both soft and hard power are important.

Yeah. Sex, drugs and violence, pop culture mixed with substance abuse and fast food.
Very important gay power. Got it.
 

56860

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Q1 FDI grows by 25.6%

MOFCOM data showed first-quarter FDI in high-tech industries reached 132.83 billion yuan, up nearly 53 percent year-on-year.

The growth rates for FDI in high-tech manufacturing and high-tech services were 35.7 percent and 57.8 percent, respectively.

FDI is surging into China, particularly high-tech manufacturing and services.
 
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