Chinese Economics Thread

SanWenYu

Captain
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Bloomberg's storymaker asked a stupid, provocative question. The spokesperson of China National Stats politely lectured the idiot.

Bloomberg asked: "In the first quarter of 2022, steel and cement output dropped a lot but at the same time investment in industries increased. How do you explain the contradiction here?"

彭博新闻社记者提问:我们看到,第一季度的工业品,比如钢铁、水泥等产量都有大幅下降,但是工业投资却有上升。请问,如何解释这些数据之间的矛盾?

Spokesperson of the National Stats explained: "Because the Chinese economy has changed a lot. China has been climbing up the value chain and moving focus from speed of progress to quality. In the first quarter, investment in high end manufacturing increased faster than that in the traditional sectors."

Then he followed with this remark, "One must observe and analyze this economic phenomenon objectively and seriously to arrive at the correct conclusion."

国家统计局新闻发言人、国民经济综合统计司司长付凌晖:谢谢您的提问。大家对数据的关心关注,今年以来比较多。

总的来看,随着近些年中国经济的发展,由过去的高速增长向高质量发展转变,经济增长的驱动力和过去相比也有新的变化。我们看到,在工业生产当中,高技术制造业和装备制造业保持较快增长,对工业的支撑作用在增强。在工业投资中,高技术制造业和装备制造业投资都保持了较快增长。所以,以工业化、城镇化带动经济增长的驱动方式,和过去相比发生了很大变化。

您刚才讲到,钢铁、水泥产量下降,但是工业生产仍然保持较快增长,主要是由于经济发展驱动力和过去相比有很大变化。现在产业发展更多向中高端迈进,今年投资三大领域中的制造业投资增长较快,对传统工业产品,比如钢铁、水泥的带动有很大变化。对于这样的经济现象,我们要客观看待,认真分析,才能得出准确结论。谢谢。

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weig2000

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I think China was about to collapse due to Shanghai's botched handling of COVID containment but then Gordon Chang just had to butt in at the last minute, and China is fine again.

It's not really due to Shanghai's "botched" handling of COVID. Nobody can handle that kind of situation much better, not in a modern metropolis of 25 million people with administrative measures and orders. And Shanghai is not an isolated case. This zero COVID policy is just going to kill China's vitality softly and gradually ...
 

Michaelsinodef

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It's not really due to Shanghai's "botched" handling of COVID. Nobody can handle that kind of situation much better, not in a modern metropolis of 25 million people with administrative measures and orders. And Shanghai is not an isolated case. This zero COVID policy is just going to kill China's vitality softly and gradually ...
NOPE, it was totally botched.

Just look at all the other cities and provinces, basically only Shanghai and Jilin where it became a problem, due to them NOT recognizing the need to quickly test when they got a few cases.

Like if Shanghai had done a lockdown 7-14 days earlier than it did, chances are it would be somewhat over by now (not to mention Shanghai has been pretty bad at locking down, sure it's a much bigger city than many others, but that also means it should have a lot more resources and manpower).

Iirc, Shenzhen just did a 1 week lockdown against Omicrom and then got control of the situation.
 

Jordy Cold

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Most likely, a Westerner .The type that regularly laments how the West made China rich and how it would collapse if they pulled out their investments.People who read CNN and live

Most likely, a Westerner .The type that regularly laments how the West made China rich and how it would collapse if they pulled out their investments.People who read CNN and live in an information bubble
Yeah Russia is such a good position now /s.
 

nixdorf

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Its actually very simple. Consumption drives production, which in turn drives investment, then R&D, then higher wages, repeat.

Its a self-repeating/strengthening cycle. In order to form internal circulation, domestic consumption needs to be strengthened so that China becomes an even bigger market. This also increases imports which then strengthens the world's dependency over China, this giving it even more international influence to pursue its diplomatic/strategic goals.

The reason why US is so strong is very simple. It has a huge market which is constantly importing goods from other countries. Consequently, this gives it huge power in international affairs.
Don't forget services. Consumption of services is a major part of the economies of any developed country and why the US is the dominant world economy. There are simply more ways to spend money there than anywhere else. Any time money is spent it is also generating wealth for the person on the receiving end of the transaction and expanding the economy.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Don't forget services. Consumption of services is a major part of the economies of any developed country and why the US is the dominant world economy. There are simply more ways to spend money there than anywhere else. Any time money is spent it is also generating wealth for the person on the receiving end of the transaction and expanding the economy.
Services consumption has now become monetization of previously free activities. Charging for what was previously free is destruction of value.
 
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