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ChongqingHotPot92

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China’s Vice Premier Liu Reassures Businesses Amid Crackdowns​

“The principles and policies for supporting the development of the private economy have not changed,” Liu, who is President Xi Jinping’s top economic adviser, said in a video speech to a digital economy expo in Hebei province, according to a Xinhua News Agency
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. “They don’t change now, and will not change in the future.”

China must stick to socialist market economy reforms and persist in opening up the economy, Liu said, vowing the country will protect property rights and intellectual property rights. He reiterated that the private economy has contributed to over half of China’s tax revenue, more than 60% of economic growth and 80% of urban jobs.

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I hope he's right man. A return to the Cultural Revolution or USSR/Mao Zedong style central planning would be a bad idea. China has prospered since 1978 and can continue to do so along the current path of economic opening up.
Liu had to come out and clarify because many people misinterpreted Li Guangman's "profound revolution" article as Xi's declaration to end private industries. So far this year, I see several goals clearly listed out by the Xi administration in order to make China more competitive (and combative) as a whole. Some of these policies are clearly conservative and nationalistic, but none of them appear to call for an end to market economy or private entrepreneurship.

1. Private high-tech firms with access to data of millions must keep their data within the PRC and refrain from listing oversea, which would risk giving foreign governments these consumer data of individual Chinese citizens.
2. Successful private businessmen must share their wealth with the society, pay higher taxes. These goals actually align with those of the Western progressives. The only issue is that the PRC promotes wealth sharing through campaigns and social pressures as opposed to through legal channels or new tax laws. Because passing stringent tax laws in a short span of time demanding wealthy people to pay more taxes would scare away foreign investors and cause large numbers of wealthy Chinese to move their assets overseas through legal and illegal channels. However, paying more tax and be willing to share more wealth do not mean crackdown or closing private enterprises akin to the Three & Five Antis of the 1950s.
3. Crack down on private tutoring taking advantage of parents' fear of children being outcompeted. Supposedly relieve children's academic burden and compel teachers to actually teach in class as opposed to giving out true knowledges during after class sessions. If worked out (an "if"), this policy could make education more fair in China.
4. No more "sissy" men. This policy by itself could be considered a discrimination against the LGBTQ and is definitely culturally conservative, if not reactionary. However, from Xi's perspective, the next two decades will be characterized by stiff competition with the US and its allies. The CCP surely wants to instill some traditional martial spirits 尚武精神 into the country's young boys. Therefore, the image of a muscular PLA soldier in war gears or a scientist in a weapons lab would be considered social role models for "man" as opposed to long-haired skinny singers. On the other hand, Beijing is also cracking down on feminists, especially those who complain about three-child policy taking away their job opportunities or openly saying Western men are superior to Chinese ones. As the state wants men to take a more masculine role, it would also demand women to become less assertive and more considering of their male counterparts, as well as more patriotic. This could run into significant resistance because Chinese women have taken Mao's "women holding half of the sky" ideology for granted. (In fact gender equality in China was way ahead of the West during the 1960s and 70s.)
5. While private companies will continue to be allowed and encouraged, their wealth and power must not surpass those of the State. In other words, China will not tolerate the emergence of its own Rockefeller, allowing one family to use its immense wealth to buy up the entire state and its bureaucrats. Thus, when a private firms grows too fast and become influential to the point where the CEO and the board of directors begin to demand more political power and financial "freedom," (freedom to bribe, freedom to move assets overseas, freedom to criticize Xi, freedom to insist on removal of regulations, etc.) they would cross the CCP's redline.

In sum, NOTHING appears to call for the abolishment of private industries right now. However, the PRC is surely going to become more collectivist, socially conservative, nationalistic, militaristic, autocratic, and security-oriented.
 
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On the other hand, Beijing is also cracking down on feminists, especially those who complain about three-child policy taking away their job opportunities or openly saying Western men are superior to Chinese ones. As the state wants men to take a more masculine role, it would also demand women to become less assertive and more considering of their male counterparts, as well as more patriotic. This could run into significant resistance because Chinese women have taken Mao's "women holding half of the sky" ideology for granted. (In fact gender equality in China was way ahead of the West during the 1960s and 70s.)
A few things:
1) Sweden and the west have proven that when females take political power they pass laws that enable their hypergamy
2) Chinese women who say that western men are superior are those who have been indoctrinated by Hollywood and Anglo media which wages an all of society war on Asian males and Asian cultures.
3) Asian females in the west who act as Kiron skinner Melissa chan types who uphold white Anglo supremacy are poor role modes for young Chinese girls; better role models should be brought forth and not the Zhao Wei actress celebrity types.
4) China lauds and honours workers who contribute to society eg the doctors and nurses of Wuhan, government officials who did wel for their communities
 

Overbom

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I just want Xi to put up a property tax, inheritance tax and maybe a capital tax as well. If he manages to pass these taxes during his administration I will rate him close to Deng without even considering his other accomplishments.

These taxes are tremendously opposed by powerful interest groups. If he manages to win over them and pass the taxes, then he should be applauded.

I think that Xi's 3rd term will be the equivalent of the US President Roosevelt's "New Deal" reforms. Fingers crossed.
 

Quickie

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The news was Russia with China. Now it's Indonesia's turn.

Maybe the curious thing is that countries are only waking up to this idea of settlement in the local currency when supporting the U.S dollar can get you sanctioned when you don't behave.

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Indonesia and China implemented a local currency settlement (LCS) agreement on Monday to make trade and direct investment between the two countries more efficient. The move comes nearly a year after Bank Indonesia (BI) and the People’s Bank of China (PBOC) inked a memorandum of understanding on the matter. BI reported on Monday that the mechanism was expected to benefit businesses as it would reduce transaction costs, provide alternative financing in local currencies for trade and direct investment, create more options for hedging and diversify currency exposure in cross-border transactions. “Expanding the use of the LCS is expected to support the rupiah’s stability by reducing dependence on certain currencies in the domestic foreign exchange market,” BI reported in a press release on Monday.
 

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I hope he's right man. A return to the Cultural Revolution or USSR/Mao Zedong style central planning would be a bad idea. China has prospered since 1978 and can continue to do so along the current path of economic opening up.
I hope so too. I worry Xi will make everybody set up a furnace in their backyard to make pig iron while reciting passages from the Little Red Book. :rolleyes:
 

ZeEa5KPul

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The news was Russia with China. Now it's Indonesia's turn.

Maybe the curious thing is that countries are only waking up to this idea of settlement in the local currency when supporting the U.S dollar can get you sanctioned when you don't behave.

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Indonesia and China implemented a local currency settlement (LCS) agreement on Monday to make trade and direct investment between the two countries more efficient. The move comes nearly a year after Bank Indonesia (BI) and the People’s Bank of China (PBOC) inked a memorandum of understanding on the matter. BI reported on Monday that the mechanism was expected to benefit businesses as it would reduce transaction costs, provide alternative financing in local currencies for trade and direct investment, create more options for hedging and diversify currency exposure in cross-border transactions. “Expanding the use of the LCS is expected to support the rupiah’s stability by reducing dependence on certain currencies in the domestic foreign exchange market,” BI reported in a press release on Monday.
That's welcome, but we should also be cognizant of the fact that China is the one eating all of the currency risk with these swaps. At least initially until these countries build up a sufficient RMB reserve to buffet them against economic vicissitudes.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Liu had to come out and clarify because many people misinterpreted Li Guangman's "profound revolution" article as Xi's declaration to end private industries. So far this year, I see several goals clearly listed out by the Xi administration in order to make China more competitive (and combative) as a whole. Some of these policies are clearly conservative and nationalistic, but none of them appear to call for an end to market economy or private entrepreneurship.

1. Private high-tech firms with access to data of millions must keep their data within the PRC and refrain from listing oversea, which would risk giving foreign governments these consumer data of individual Chinese citizens.
2. Successful private businessmen must share their wealth with the society, pay higher taxes. These goals actually align with those of the Western progressives. The only issue is that the PRC promotes wealth sharing through campaigns and social pressures as opposed to through legal channels or new tax laws. Because passing stringent tax laws in a short span of time demanding wealthy people to pay more taxes would scare away foreign investors and cause large numbers of wealthy Chinese to move their assets overseas through legal and illegal channels. However, paying more tax and be willing to share more wealth do not mean crackdown or closing private enterprises akin to the Three & Five Antis of the 1950s.
3. Crack down on private tutoring taking advantage of parents' fear of children being outcompeted. Supposedly relieve children's academic burden and compel teachers to actually teach in class as opposed to giving out true knowledges during after class sessions. If worked out (an "if"), this policy could make education more fair in China.
4. No more "sissy" men. This policy by itself could be considered a discrimination against the LGBTQ and is definitely culturally conservative, if not reactionary. However, from Xi's perspective, the next two decades will be characterized by stiff competition with the US and its allies. The CCP surely wants to instill some traditional martial spirits 尚武精神 into the country's young boys. Therefore, the image of a muscular PLA soldier in war gears or a scientist in a weapons lab would be considered social role models for "man" as opposed to long-haired skinny singers. On the other hand, Beijing is also cracking down on feminists, especially those who complain about three-child policy taking away their job opportunities or openly saying Western men are superior to Chinese ones. As the state wants men to take a more masculine role, it would also demand women to become less assertive and more considering of their male counterparts, as well as more patriotic. This could run into significant resistance because Chinese women have taken Mao's "women holding half of the sky" ideology for granted. (In fact gender equality in China was way ahead of the West during the 1960s and 70s.)
5. While private companies will continue to be allowed and encouraged, their wealth and power must not surpass those of the State. In other words, China will not tolerate the emergence of its own Rockefeller, allowing one family to use its immense wealth to buy up the entire state and its bureaucrats. Thus, when a private firms grows too fast and become influential to the point where the CEO and the board of directors begin to demand more political power and financial "freedom," (freedom to bribe, freedom to move assets overseas, freedom to criticize Xi, freedom to insist on removal of regulations, etc.) they would cross the CCP's redline.

In sum, NOTHING appears to call for the abolishment of private industries right now. However, the PRC is surely going to become more collectivist, socially conservative, nationalistic, militaristic, autocratic, and security-oriented.

Liu had to come out and clarify because many people misinterpreted Li Guangman's "profound revolution" article as Xi's declaration to end private industries. So far this year, I see several goals clearly listed out by the Xi administration in order to make China more competitive (and combative) as a whole. Some of these policies are clearly conservative and nationalistic, but none of them appear to call for an end to market economy or private entrepreneurship.

1. Private high-tech firms with access to data of millions must keep their data within the PRC and refrain from listing oversea, which would risk giving foreign governments these consumer data of individual Chinese citizens.
2. Successful private businessmen must share their wealth with the society, pay higher taxes. These goals actually align with those of the Western progressives. The only issue is that the PRC promotes wealth sharing through campaigns and social pressures as opposed to through legal channels or new tax laws. Because passing stringent tax laws in a short span of time demanding wealthy people to pay more taxes would scare away foreign investors and cause large numbers of wealthy Chinese to move their assets overseas through legal and illegal channels. However, paying more tax and be willing to share more wealth do not mean crackdown or closing private enterprises akin to the Three & Five Antis of the 1950s.
3. Crack down on private tutoring taking advantage of parents' fear of children being outcompeted. Supposedly relieve children's academic burden and compel teachers to actually teach in class as opposed to giving out true knowledges during after class sessions. If worked out (an "if"), this policy could make education more fair in China.
4. No more "sissy" men. This policy by itself could be considered a discrimination against the LGBTQ and is definitely culturally conservative, if not reactionary. However, from Xi's perspective, the next two decades will be characterized by stiff competition with the US and its allies. The CCP surely wants to instill some traditional martial spirits 尚武精神 into the country's young boys. Therefore, the image of a muscular PLA soldier in war gears or a scientist in a weapons lab would be considered social role models for "man" as opposed to long-haired skinny singers. On the other hand, Beijing is also cracking down on feminists, especially those who complain about three-child policy taking away their job opportunities or openly saying Western men are superior to Chinese ones. As the state wants men to take a more masculine role, it would also demand women to become less assertive and more considering of their male counterparts, as well as more patriotic. This could run into significant resistance because Chinese women have taken Mao's "women holding half of the sky" ideology for granted. (In fact gender equality in China was way ahead of the West during the 1960s and 70s.)
5. While private companies will continue to be allowed and encouraged, their wealth and power must not surpass those of the State. In other words, China will not tolerate the emergence of its own Rockefeller, allowing one family to use its immense wealth to buy up the entire state and its bureaucrats. Thus, when a private firms grows too fast and become influential to the point where the CEO and the board of directors begin to demand more political power and financial "freedom," (freedom to bribe, freedom to move assets overseas, freedom to criticize Xi, freedom to insist on removal of regulations, etc.) they would cross the CCP's redline.

In sum, NOTHING appears to call for the abolishment of private industries right now. However, the PRC is surely going to become more collectivist, socially conservative, nationalistic, militaristic, autocratic, and security-oriented.
"openly saying Western men are superior to Chinese ones." In what ways are the western people supposedly better than Chinese men? I guess they just prefer them western dudes for aesthetic reasons.
 

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"openly saying Western men are superior to Chinese ones." In what ways are the western people supposedly better than Chinese men? I guess they just prefer them western dudes for aesthetic reasons.
They view them as Prince Charming, nothing more nothing less. Since the 80’s, the Chinese always denigrated themselves while viewing foreigners, particularly Westerners, as superior people due to the lack of wealth and analytical skills thanks to the Cultural Revolution and other disastrous economic policies. Unfortunately, this mentality is still present to this day since the 50’s through 70’s generations have been teaching this mentality for more than a decade. Criticizing and improving oneself is one thing, but worshipping another culture is another.
 

manqiangrexue

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"openly saying Western men are superior to Chinese ones." In what ways are the western people supposedly better than Chinese men? I guess they just prefer them western dudes for aesthetic reasons.
It's not aesthetics; when Westerners first came to Asia, the women said that these people had goat heads (the British dude had 2 tufts of hair on the sides of his head, bald in the middle, and a goatee). When China was technologically superior, foreigners, including Caucasians, were looked down upon as barbarians and below Chinese. No Chinese woman would even consider something like that romantically; such a thought bordered on beastiality. It's all about technology and power; whatever you look like, Asian, black, white, Latino, Middle-Eastern, if you are the most powerful race on earth, women will associate your look with powerful status and that look will trend to become attractive.
They view them as Prince Charming, nothing more nothing less. Since the 80’s, the Chinese always denigrated themselves while viewing foreigners, particularly Westerners, as superior people due to the lack of wealth and analytical skills thanks to the Cultural Revolution and other disastrous economic policies. Unfortunately, this mentality is still present to this day since the 50’s through 70’s generations have been teaching this mentality for more than a decade. Criticizing and improving oneself is one thing, but worshipping another culture is another.
It was long over by the time the Cultural Revolution came around. When Westerners invaded China and divided China into spheres of influence, they asserted dominance and that was it. If anything, the Cultural Revolution gave China the renewed self-respect to say that even though we are behind, we don't give up and we will never resign ourselves to being a junior partner. Of course, it did come with serious economic consequences, but China was simply standing up at that point; becoming prosperous, advanced, and powerful were pretty much irrelevant fantasies at the time.
 
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