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Martian

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China became world's largest construction market in 2010

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China spent more on construction in 2010 than any other country. Pictured: Chinese workers put the finishing touches on a nearly-completed ultramodern commercial and residential building complex in Beijing on May 5, 2010. (UPI/Stephen Shaver)

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"China became world's largest construction market in 2010
by Shie Ai-ju and Staff Reporter
2011-03-04

During the period of the easy monetary policy of the Chinese government over the past two years, the prices of raw material and labor increased, as did the country's construction expenditure -- reaching US$1 trillion in 2010. By contrast, the construction market in the United States declined during the economic slowdown: investment in construction totaled only US$983 billion last year, lower than the US$1.5 trillion recorded in 2005.

Even as China surpassed Japan to become the world's second-largest economy last year, it also took the title of the world's largest construction market. More significantly, its share in the global market is expected to expand further.

The Global Construction 2020 report published March 3 predicted that China would account for one-fifth of the global construction industry by 2020, compared with the current 14%.

Graham Robinson, director of Global Construction Perspectives, said that the trend marks a turning point for the construction industry.

Last year, spending on housing construction accounted for 57% of China's total construction expenditure. However, with the Chinese government's recent attempts to prevent a housing bubble, growth in housing construction spending is expected to slow down over the next decade. However, there will be growth from spending on railroads, roads and power infrastructure.

In the next decade, global construction expenditure is expected to reach US$97.7 trillion. In addition to China, India will also invest significantly in construction and is expected to soon overtake Japan to become the third-largest construction market in the world."
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Protectionism is negative, but in certain sectors it's seen as necessary. ..........

Hmmm ..You made some interesting points.

To elaborate on what I said earlier, Western Countries/Companies rather than putting self interest first should stay operating under WTO regulations rather than succumb to Chinese pressure as "Gamesa" did under notice 1204 requiring domestic content which was in itself a violation of WTO Rules. (refer to earlier provided link for the Gamesa case study)

If Countries are too scared to complain to the WTO for fear of being excluded from lucrative contracts, (eg Alstrom who lost out in China after complaining of "IPT") the WTO should be empowered to act without the need of a complaint when the rules are obviously being broken. It thus reduces the need for other countries to follow suit.
 

bladerunner

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Re: China became world's largest construction market in 2010

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China spent more on construction in 2010 than any other country. Pictured: Chinese workers put the finishing touches on a nearly-completed ultramodern commercial and residential building complex in Beijing on May 5, 2010. (UPI/Stephen Shaver)

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"China became world's largest construction market in 2010
by Shie Ai-ju and Staff Reporter
2011-03-04

During the period of the easy monetary policy of the Chinese government over the past two years, the prices of raw material and labor increased, as did the country's construction expenditure -- reaching US$1 trillion in 2010. By contrast, the construction market in the United States declined during the economic slowdown: investment in construction totaled only US$983 billion last year, lower than the US$1.5 trillion recorded in 2005.

Even as China surpassed Japan to become the world's second-largest economy last year, it also took the title of the world's largest construction market. More significantly, its share in the global market is expected to expand further.

The Global Construction 2020 report published March 3 predicted that China would account for one-fifth of the global construction industry by 2020, compared with the current 14%.

Graham Robinson, director of Global Construction Perspectives, said that the trend marks a turning point for the construction industry.

Last year, spending on housing construction accounted for 57% of China's total construction expenditure. However, with the Chinese government's recent attempts to prevent a housing bubble, growth in housing construction spending is expected to slow down over the next decade. However, there will be growth from spending on railroads, roads and power infrastructure.

In the next decade, global construction expenditure is expected to reach US$97.7 trillion. In addition to China, India will also invest significantly in construction and is expected to soon overtake Japan to become the third-largest construction market in the world."


I once read that China had about 200 cities with a population of a million plus in areas that were at risk of having a scale 7 earthquake.

Therefore I would be more impressed if they can state unequivocally
that their buildings can withstand such a disaster or even one of a higher magnitude..

They are supposed to have very strict building codes which came into being after the Tangshan earthquake that are every bit as demanding as those of the highest requirements found in the West and perhaps Japan, but in China as in other developing countries, its easier to pay off the inspectors etc rather than meet the extra costs. eg the schools in the Sichuan earthquake.
I also read that some of their cheaper developments can also be badly built.
 
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bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Re: China became world's largest construction market in 2010

China's new economic power fans fear, BBC poll finds

By Andrew Walker
Economics correspondent, BBC World Service
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Public concern is growing about China's increasing economic power, according to a new global poll conducted for BBC World Service.

The survey was carried out by the international polling firm GlobeScan/PIPA among more than 28,000 people in 27 countries.

It reveals that the respondees who say that China becoming more powerful economically is a bad thing have increased substantially across a number of China's key trading partners—and especially in the major rich countries

Compared to BBC World Service polling in 2005, negative views of China's growing economic power rose - and are now in the majority - in the US, France, Canada, Germany and Italy.

Negative views also grew significantly in countries such as the UK and Mexico but remain outnumbered by positive views in those countries.

But across the survey as a whole, China was still viewed positively.

Across all countries polled, an average of 50% expressed a positive view of China's economic power, while 33% were negative.

The two nations with the most positive views of China's economic growth were in Africa - Nigeria (82%) and Kenya (77%).

Indeed positive views were in the majority in all five African countries surveyed.

Across the developing nations polled, positive views of China were more numerous than negative ones - with the exception of just one country, Mexico.

'Psychologically unsettling'
So what is behind these feelings about China's growing economic weight?

The survey does not tell us for sure, but there are some obvious candidate explanations.


China is now looking to develop its domestic market to balance the booming sector
In the period since the earlier poll - in 2005 - the world has been through an episode called the great recession, a result of the financial crisis.

The developed world was hard hit. The rebound now underway in the global economy is led by developing countries, notably China.

The recovery in the rich nations by contrast is more sluggish. The rise in unemployment caused by the recession is likely to take years to reverse.

Tom Friedman, the influential New York Times columnist and Pullitzer Prize winner, told the BBC: "there's no question that China's rise, coinciding with a sense of stagnation and paralysis among many of the leading western democracies, is psychologically unsettling".

Trade issues
There is also a very specific economic issue, and that does emerge in the BBC survey.

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China is still in many ways a freeloader on the international system. It's not a stakeholder.”

Tom Friedman
New York Times
People were asked if they think China trades fairly with other countries.

Those saying China is unfair were above 50% in Japan, South Korea, Germany and Italy. In the US, the figure was 45%, compared with 24% saying that it was fair.

The particular policy that has attracted so much attention, in the media and in business, is China's approach to its currency, holding its value down by intervening in the foreign exchange market.

Critics, and there are many of them, say that gives Chinese industry an unfair competitive advantage.

Tom Friedman is particularly caustc about this policy: "That's part of a broader concern of people which is that China is still in many ways a freeloader on the international system. It's not a stakeholder."

Regional view
And what about the more positive view in the developing world?

In some countries especially in Africa, China has been investing heavily.

That brings jobs and infrastructure, though critics do see it as a grab for African resources, especially its energy and metals.

Perhaps some also welcome the sight of a developing nation emerging as an increasingly serious challenger to the rich world.

In some business circles, even among those who criticise China's policies, many nonetheless see the country as an opportunity.

More than a billion consumers are going to buy more goods and services as their living standards rise and Chinese firms will not be able to supply everything.
 

Martian

Senior Member
China's recent important victories at the WTO

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Among the small handful of WTO disputes involving China, China has won important WTO rulings. The inescapable conclusion is that China obeys WTO rules and other nations are complaining without merit. Competition does not guarantee equal outcomes, only equal opportunities.

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"Trade Body Rules in Beijing's Favor
By JOHN W. MILLER
MARCH 12, 2011

WTO Judges Say U.S. Illegally Imposed Double Duties on Chinese Exports Limits Trading Partners' Room to Maneuver

BRUSSELS—The World Trade Organization handed an important victory to China, ruling that the U.S. illegally imposed both antidumping and antisubsidy duties on some Chinese exports in 2007.

The trade body's surprise decision sets a precedent in limiting the ability of China's trading partners to impose punitive duties on its exports.


China, the world's biggest exporter and its second biggest economy, faces its biggest wave of trade disputes at the WTO since it joined the Geneva-based organization in 2001.

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A security guard walks among the containers at Yangluo Container Port on the Yangtze River in Wuhan in central China's Hubei province. (Photo credit: European Pressphoto Agency)

Led by the U.S. and the European Union, China's trading partners are fighting what they say is an export machine often lubricated by state subsidies and aggressive dumping of goods below cost on foreign markets. And they complain it's a one-way street: China had $1.6 trillion of exports in 2010, with a trade surplus of $184.5 billion.

China has reacted to the trade legal war by hiring teams of consultants and expert counsel in Geneva, Brussels and Washington. It has become difficult for a reporter covering trade to find a lawyer not retained on some level by China or one of its exporters.

The WTO recently issued two significant rulings against China, finding that it improperly imposes export tariffs on raw materials in order to protect domestic supplies, and ordering China to bust a state-backed monopoly on processing some credit-card payments.

The most recent case dates back to the U.S. imposing punitive tariffs of up to around 20% on Chinese steel pipes, tires, and laminated woven sacks in 2007. A year later, China complained to the WTO that the U.S. had acted illegally. In October, the WTO rejected those claims.

Beijing appealed, arguing the U.S. couldn't legally impose two different classes of punitive duties—antidumping and antisubsidy— on the same goods. Antidumping duties punish dumping, the selling of goods below cost in a foreign country, while the latter compensate for government aid, such as grants and low-interest loans.

Typically, antidumping duties are levied on countries that are not designated as "market economies," because some subsidies are assumed in those countries. Instead, the WTO permits importers to calculate probable cost of the good using another country as a reference. For China, it is often another emerging economy such as Turkey or Mexico. Most countries, the U.S. included, don't consider China a market economy, and therefore usually don't apply antisubsidy duties. The EU has never imposed antisubsidy duties on China. Beijing has been campaigning hard for market-economy status from both the U.S. and EU because it would make it harder for those countries to levy antidumping duties.

In its 232-page report, the WTO's judges said that the U.S. couldn't apply both kinds of duties.

"The Appellate Body's decision on the 'double remedies' issue is likely to cause concern" among U.S. manufacturers and labor unions who lobby the government to impose duties, said Simon Lester, founder of WorldTradeLaw.net LLC, a Washington consulting firm.

U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk reacted angrily to the ruling by the WTO. "I am deeply troubled by this report," he said."It appears to be a clear case of overreaching by the Appellate Body." The U.S., he added, is "reviewing the findings closely in order to understand fully their implications."

The U.S. must now comply with the ruling by removing some of the duties and change its methodology for future cases.

U.S. trade officials pointed out that the WTO panel upheld some parts of the U.S. case, including the finding that certain banks that gave loans to the exporters were "state bodies."

China welcomed the ruling. The panel, a government statement said, "has conclusively established that the United States acts unlawfully in the methods by which it calculates and imposes countervailing duties on imports from China."

Write to John W. Miller at [email protected]"

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"China Wins Duties Case Against EU in WTO Courts

"Dec. 7, 2010 – In a case that displays China’s increasing engagement with international bodies, the World Trade Organization ruled last Friday that the European Union’s antidumping duties on Chinese steel fasteners such as screws and bolts work against WTO regulations.

“We recommend that the dispute settlement body request the European Union to bring its measure into conformity with its obligations,” it said.


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China brought the case to the WTO in July 2009 after the EU imposed tariffs, ranging from 26.5 percent up to 85 percent, on some imports of Chinese steel and iron fasteners.

The WTO disputed calculations that the EU undertook to determine whether Chinese goods were being “dumped” below the cost that they took to be made.

The EU has repeatedly argued that it has the authority to make such calculations that are based on statistics from other nations, because China does not qualify as a market economy.

China’s Ministry of Commerce welcomed the ruling, saying “China urges the EU to respect the WTO ruling and quickly end the practices.”

China joined the WTO in 2001 and since then has played an increasingly large role in WTO litigation. In the past, China has also won some cases against the United States for its own tariffs against Chinese imports, but Friday’s WTO decision was China’s first win against the EU.

Due to China’s role as the global source of low-cost manufacturing, roughly a quarter of anti-dumping duties globally have been directed towards Chinese exports over the last decade, according to the Financial Times.

Both sides to the case have 60 days to appeal the ruling."

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"China gets WTO backing in chicken import row with US
Posted by CBN on Jul 29th, 2010

China has notched up a victory against the United States after a World Trade Organization (WTO) panel ruled in China’s favor in a dispute over the ban on imports of Chinese chicken, sources close to the matter said on Wednesday.

The ruling is expected to come into effect soon and will help open up the US market for finished chicken breast exports, the sources said. The nation is already a major exporter of chicken products to Japan.

The WTO said in June, in an interim ruling, that the US decision was in violation of its rules and regulations.


Commerce Ministry officials said China got the final ruling from the WTO on Tuesday, but the trade body did not disclose the result and other details, citing confidential reasons.

“It (final ruling) will be announced in one or to two months, and the result is actually China wins,” said an unnamed source.

In April 2009, China lodged an appeal with the WTO against Section 727 of the Omnibus Appropriations Act of 2009, included in US laws from March 2009. China argued that the Section 727 runs against rules of the global trade arbitrator and consequently the WTO set up a dispute settlement panel in July 2009.

Under the Section 727, the United States effectively prohibits the establishment or implementation of any measures that would allow poultry products to be imported from China.

“Such rules are nothing but trade protectionist measures as they block China’s chicken product exports to the US,” said Ma Chuang, deputy secretary-general of the China Animal Agriculture Association.


Ma expressed confidence that once the ruling comes into effect it will boost exports of finished chicken products. “We expect to start seeing modest annual export volumes of 100,000 to 150,000 tons of finished chicken products valued at around $500-750 million roughly. It will in no way impact US poultry farmers or manufacturers of finished products,” he said.

In 2009, China exported poultry products worth $870 million or 291,272 tons, compared with $860 million in 2008. It imported 799,600 tons of chicken products globally in 2008."
 
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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
I just watched 60 Minutes and they talked about corporate tax havens. Remember how the critics use to say China was preventing foreign corporations from taking their profits out of the country? Apparently that's a primary way of avoiding paying taxes in your home country. Reminds me of Mattel and the lead and toy design flaw scandal. Mattel let China take the blame in the US and then a Mattel executive had to fly to China to make a public apology. Why would Mattel have to apologize if it were China's fault? Maybe because it was their design in the first place and they probably demanded the least cost per unit which meant lead paint. Much like how Wal Mart operates in China taking the lowest bid from manufacturers then demanding on top of that a further cut in cost per unit.
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Re: China's recent important victories at the WTO

2MhVI.jpg

Among the small handful of WTO disputes involving China, China has won important WTO rulings. The inescapable conclusion is that China obeys WTO rules and other nations are complaining without merit. Competition does not guarantee equal outcomes, only equal opportunities.

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"Trade Body Rules in Beijing's Favor
By JOHN W. MILLER
MARCH 12, 2011

WTO Judges Say U.S. Illegally Imposed Double Duties on Chinese Exports Limits Trading Partners' Room to Maneuver

BRUSSELS—The World Trade Organization handed an important victory to China, ruling that the U.S. illegally imposed both antidumping and antisubsidy duties on some Chinese exports in 2007.

The trade body's surprise decision sets a precedent in limiting the ability of China's trading partners to impose punitive duties on its exports.


China, the world's biggest exporter and its second biggest economy, faces its biggest wave of trade disputes at the WTO since it joined the Geneva-based organization in 2001.

7CRWa.jpg

A security guard walks among the containers at Yangluo Container Port on the Yangtze River in Wuhan in central China's Hubei province. (Photo credit: European Pressphoto Agency)

Led by the U.S. and the European Union, China's trading partners are fighting what they say is an export machine often lubricated by state subsidies and aggressive dumping of goods below cost on foreign markets. And they complain it's a one-way street: China had $1.6 trillion of exports in 2010, with a trade surplus of $184.5 billion.

China has reacted to the trade legal war by hiring teams of consultants and expert counsel in Geneva, Brussels and Washington. It has become difficult for a reporter covering trade to find a lawyer not retained on some level by China or one of its exporters.

The WTO recently issued two significant rulings against China, finding that it improperly imposes export tariffs on raw materials in order to protect domestic supplies, and ordering China to bust a state-backed monopoly on processing some credit-card payments.

The most recent case dates back to the U.S. imposing punitive tariffs of up to around 20% on Chinese steel pipes, tires, and laminated woven sacks in 2007. A year later, China complained to the WTO that the U.S. had acted illegally. In October, the WTO rejected those claims.

Beijing appealed, arguing the U.S. couldn't legally impose two different classes of punitive duties—antidumping and antisubsidy— on the same goods. Antidumping duties punish dumping, the selling of goods below cost in a foreign country, while the latter compensate for government aid, such as grants and low-interest loans.

Typically, antidumping duties are levied on countries that are not designated as "market economies," because some subsidies are assumed in those countries. Instead, the WTO permits importers to calculate probable cost of the good using another country as a reference. For China, it is often another emerging economy such as Turkey or Mexico. Most countries, the U.S. included, don't consider China a market economy, and therefore usually don't apply antisubsidy duties. The EU has never imposed antisubsidy duties on China. Beijing has been campaigning hard for market-economy status from both the U.S. and EU because it would make it harder for those countries to levy antidumping duties.

In its 232-page report, the WTO's judges said that the U.S. couldn't apply both kinds of duties.

"The Appellate Body's decision on the 'double remedies' issue is likely to cause concern" among U.S. manufacturers and labor unions who lobby the government to impose duties, said Simon Lester, founder of WorldTradeLaw.net LLC, a Washington consulting firm.

U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk reacted angrily to the ruling by the WTO. "I am deeply troubled by this report," he said."It appears to be a clear case of overreaching by the Appellate Body." The U.S., he added, is "reviewing the findings closely in order to understand fully their implications."

The U.S. must now comply with the ruling by removing some of the duties and change its methodology for future cases.

U.S. trade officials pointed out that the WTO panel upheld some parts of the U.S. case, including the finding that certain banks that gave loans to the exporters were "state bodies."

China welcomed the ruling. The panel, a government statement said, "has conclusively established that the United States acts unlawfully in the methods by which it calculates and imposes countervailing duties on imports from China."

Write to John W. Miller at [email protected]"

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"China Wins Duties Case Against EU in WTO Courts

"Dec. 7, 2010 – In a case that displays China’s increasing engagement with international bodies, the World Trade Organization ruled last Friday that the European Union’s antidumping duties on Chinese steel fasteners such as screws and bolts work against WTO regulations.

“We recommend that the dispute settlement body request the European Union to bring its measure into conformity with its obligations,” it said.


TkbSh.jpg


China brought the case to the WTO in July 2009 after the EU imposed tariffs, ranging from 26.5 percent up to 85 percent, on some imports of Chinese steel and iron fasteners.

The WTO disputed calculations that the EU undertook to determine whether Chinese goods were being “dumped” below the cost that they took to be made.

The EU has repeatedly argued that it has the authority to make such calculations that are based on statistics from other nations, because China does not qualify as a market economy.

China’s Ministry of Commerce welcomed the ruling, saying “China urges the EU to respect the WTO ruling and quickly end the practices.”

China joined the WTO in 2001 and since then has played an increasingly large role in WTO litigation. In the past, China has also won some cases against the United States for its own tariffs against Chinese imports, but Friday’s WTO decision was China’s first win against the EU.

Due to China’s role as the global source of low-cost manufacturing, roughly a quarter of anti-dumping duties globally have been directed towards Chinese exports over the last decade, according to the Financial Times.

Both sides to the case have 60 days to appeal the ruling."

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"China gets WTO backing in chicken import row with US
Posted by CBN on Jul 29th, 2010

China has notched up a victory against the United States after a World Trade Organization (WTO) panel ruled in China’s favor in a dispute over the ban on imports of Chinese chicken, sources close to the matter said on Wednesday.

The ruling is expected to come into effect soon and will help open up the US market for finished chicken breast exports, the sources said. The nation is already a major exporter of chicken products to Japan.

The WTO said in June, in an interim ruling, that the US decision was in violation of its rules and regulations.


Commerce Ministry officials said China got the final ruling from the WTO on Tuesday, but the trade body did not disclose the result and other details, citing confidential reasons.

“It (final ruling) will be announced in one or to two months, and the result is actually China wins,” said an unnamed source.

In April 2009, China lodged an appeal with the WTO against Section 727 of the Omnibus Appropriations Act of 2009, included in US laws from March 2009. China argued that the Section 727 runs against rules of the global trade arbitrator and consequently the WTO set up a dispute settlement panel in July 2009.

Under the Section 727, the United States effectively prohibits the establishment or implementation of any measures that would allow poultry products to be imported from China.

“Such rules are nothing but trade protectionist measures as they block China’s chicken product exports to the US,” said Ma Chuang, deputy secretary-general of the China Animal Agriculture Association.


Ma expressed confidence that once the ruling comes into effect it will boost exports of finished chicken products. “We expect to start seeing modest annual export volumes of 100,000 to 150,000 tons of finished chicken products valued at around $500-750 million roughly. It will in no way impact US poultry farmers or manufacturers of finished products,” he said.

In 2009, China exported poultry products worth $870 million or 291,272 tons, compared with $860 million in 2008. It imported 799,600 tons of chicken products globally in 2008."

That just proves my point that the WTO is open to manipulation.

Why is Korea allowed to ban beef exports from America Japan ban /limit rice exports from America, and yet America is not allowed to do the same towards products they may see as a threat?
 

Martian

Senior Member
Re: China's recent important victories at the WTO

That just proves my point that the WTO is open to manipulation.

Why is Korea allowed to ban beef exports from America Japan ban /limit rice exports from America, and yet America is not allowed to do the same towards products they may see as a threat?

I am knowledgeable about matters regarding China. I have no expertise regarding Korea or Japan. I cannot help you. Sorry.

However, I will speculate. I believe that the United States has not sued South Korea or Japan at the WTO. The United States places military bases and priorities above its economic interests. In my opinion, the United States would easily win at the WTO against such blatant protectionist measures, but the United States has to be willing to sue its military allies/puppets.
 
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