Chinese Aviation Industry

A staff member works at the low-altitude flight service center in Binzhou, east China's Shandong Province, Oct. 9, 2024. Binzhou City of Shandong Province has developed the low-altitude economy. The city leverages the layout of several industrial parks, along with the talent cultivation and R&D advantages of Shandong University of Aeronautics. (Xinhua/Guo Xulei)



Li Jie (C), teacher of Shandong University of Aeronautics, guides students to take part in simulated flight training at a laboratory in Binzhou, east China's Shandong Province, Oct. 9, 2024. (Xinhua/Guo Xulei)



A student takes part in simulated flight training at Shandong University of Aeronautics in Binzhou, east China's Shandong Province, Oct. 9, 2024. (Xinhua/Guo Xulei)



Li Jie (R), teacher of Shandong University of Aeronautics, introduces the principles of drones to students at a laboratory in Binzhou, east China's Shandong Province, Oct. 9, 2024. (Xinhua/Yang Shiyao)









Flight trainees check the condition of aircraft after training at Dagao General Airport in Binzhou, east China's Shandong Province, Oct. 9, 2024. (Xinhua/Yang Shiyao)

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Flight trainees check the condition of aircraft before training at Dagao General Airport in Binzhou, east China's Shandong Province, Oct. 9, 2024. Binzhou City of Shandong Province has developed the low-altitude economy. The city leverages the layout of several industrial parks, along with the talent cultivation and R&D advantages of Shandong University of Aeronautics. (Xinhua/Yin Dongxun/ Yang Shiyao)





Meng Deyin (C), teacher of Shandong University of Aeronautics, conducts hands-on training for students on aircraft structures at Shandong University of Aeronautics in Binzhou, east China's Shandong Province, Oct. 9, 2024. (Xinhua/Yin Dongxun/Guo Xulei)



Staff members take the aircraft out of the hangar at Dagao General Airport in Binzhou, east China's Shandong Province, Oct. 9, 2024. (Xinhua/Yin Dongxun)



A staff member assembles an aircraft at a hangar of a high-tech industrial park in Binzhou, east China's Shandong Province, Oct. 9, 2024. (Xinhua/Guo Xulei)





Diamond DA40 aircraft are seen at a hangar of a high-tech industrial park in Binzhou, east China's Shandong Province, Oct. 9, 2024. (Xinhua/Guo Xulei/ Yang Shiyao)

tphuang said:

remember that back 20 years ago, AVIC factories were fight tooth and nails to get into Boeing supply chain

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And now, Airbus is busy building second assembly line in Tianjin without major order announcement.

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And now more foreign A320 suppliers are setting up facility in Tianjin and they are building full wings there.

Remember where China's aerospace industry came from. It didn't get here overnight. Both Boeing and Airbus using more Chinese suppliers actually raised the standard of various AVIC companies.

COMAC C919 wouldn't be successful if domestic aircraft body suppliers weren't already doing regular work with Airbus and Boeing aircraft.

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In US medias narrative (and from US politicians), China is stealing western IP by forcing to give it to China

In reality, it is just about economy, the most competitive one gets the order

antiterror13 said:

In US medias narrative (and from US politicians), China is stealing western IP by forcing to give it to China

In reality, it is just about economy, the most competitive one gets the order

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I don't think we need to get political here.

the point of my post is to show the progress being made by Chinese suppliers. We don't need to get into other topics.

jli88 said:

I found this chart on Toray's website:

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The M series focuses on high tensile modulus not tensile strength, different material properties for different applications.

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And yes, there is substantial difference between T800 and T1000, with an almost 20% increase in tensile strength.

@FairAndUnbiased
Also, I was reminded of our conversation earlier about innovation in chemical industry. This is exactly what I meant when I said that China is still behind, though progressing. There's no Huawei, DJI, BYD in the Chinese Chemical industry, and by that I mean a company hell bent on excellence and dominance. You need to find some wolf warriors from Huawei and let them loose in the chemical industry, or bring some chemical engineers and let them experience the Huawei culture.

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Don't forget another company - Hengshen Shares, whose HF50 is equivalent to Toray's T1000G, and HF60 is equivalent to T1100G.

luncheonham said:

Time is precious comes emergency situations ! Why waste time in assembling them ?
PRC needs twin turboprop Floatplanes like those Twin Otter !

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PLEASE! And I must admit I don't know why these strange ideas, but to think a huge An-22-like transport today is useful or why a bomber version of the H-5 should be a good idea come from, but they are so much off and I'm no longer willing to tolerate such nonsense in one of the regular flag-ship threads!

If you want to continue discussing this - and then I kindly ask you to add reasons and not only "China needs" - - then open a separate thread as "Fancy what-if concepts" in the , but no longer here in the regular section.

Take this as a very clear warning!

Just a short comment.

Speaking as a guy with at least a small degree of background in engineering - Things work and things don't work because they are governed by laws of physics and engineering.

And there's also the logical reasonings, among many other considerations that are often, if not always, at play.

Real life doesn't work because of how anyone think (or shall I say, feel or imagine) it works.

tphuang said:

On usage of composites in the Chinese industries. Seems like Guangwei's T800H could be a mainstay for the next generation military aircraft. this particular one is referring to usage in J-16



The next generation attack helicopter will also be using T800 carbon composite. expecting to be > 50% of body weight. Big change over Z9 and Z10 both of which uses T300 and at lower %.

Sounds like domestic carbon composite T800 still has yet to pass PCD of C919. Need to wait a while longer and COMAC is still buying from foreign supplier. That's an obvious place they can improve in

Another big one is eVTOL and drones.
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Current status for Guangwei
We got the new Baotou production of line producing T700 and better - 4000t
2000t more of T700S and T800S
up to 1100t of T800H
So if they get the new Baotou phase 1 and 2 into production, adding 10000t, China's T700 and up production will increase a lot

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By new attack heli they mean Z-21?

An electric passenger VTOL (AE20) developed by AVIC Changhe is expected to conduct its maiden flight this month. The two-ton AE20 is a tilt-rotor.

This photo taken on Oct. 10, 2024 shows the S500 buoyant airborne turbine (BAT) working up in the air generating power in Wuhan, central China's Hubei Province. China's domestically developed buoyant airborne turbine (BAT) reached a record height on Thursday in central China's Hubei Province, harnessing stronger, steadier winds from higher altitudes to generate power. (Beijing SAWES Energy Technology Co., Ltd./Handout via Xinhua)

WUHAN, Oct. 11 (Xinhua) -- China's domestically developed buoyant airborne turbine (BAT) reached a record height on Thursday in central China's Hubei Province, harnessing stronger, steadier winds from higher altitudes to generate power.

The helium-filled S500 blimp ascended to 500 meters above ground in the city of Jingmen, generating power at a rate of over 50 kW, according to Beijing SAWES Energy Technology Co., Ltd., one of the developers of the system.

The operation broke records for both the maximum flying height and power generated by an airborne turbine of such a design, according to the company.

High-altitude wind is considered a widespread and stable source of clean energy that can be harvested at low cost. A BAT system employs a kite-like airship to fly up the generator and send down the electricity through the tethers to the ground.

The S500 airship is developed by the company in collaboration with Chinese institutes including Tsinghua University and the Aerospace Information Research Institute of the Chinese Academy of Sciences.

"S500 is developed for scenarios such as emergency rescue, surveying and mapping, and urban security. When an earthquake or flood occurs, it can be quickly launched to ensure on-site power supply and communication," said the company's chief technology officer Weng Hanke.

Weng added that they plan to test a 100-kW power generation at a height of 1,000 meters using the turbine.