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bladerunner

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but China's modernization does not involve conquering the American continents, Australia, and other lands, genocide against millions of aborigines, and slavery for Africans and Indians.
Very capable posters have countered this argument on a variety of forums, some of which you may have come across, so Im not going to do a rerun as it could become too political and off topic, however I agree 110% with your other comments:)
 

Hendrik_2000

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If the scientists cant get nucleur fussion to work, whats the point in going to the moon and minining helium3

THe Americans must have a inkling of the resources on the moon, fancy being prepared to walk away from it. IMO if they felt there were trillions of $ of. resources there, they would find the money.

If everybody think like that, They would never invented PC or semiconductor.

Fairchild the grandaddy of semiconductor was involve with early integrated circuit for small computer used in Lunar module .Both Andy Grove and Noyce work in Fairchild eventually they found the Intel company.

With no semiconductor there would never be personal computer or Internet!

The moral of the story is there is more to it than profit when it come to Moon Race. It act as driver and catalyst for High Technoloy , Material science, Electronic. and in so doing advance the country economy.Any great nation worth their salt has to go through the same motion

With your kind of logic,Imagine what Isabel queen of Spain said when she was asked to finance the Columbus voyages. She would said why bother going to America ?There is nothing there.
 

bladerunner

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Its known as taking calulated choices, you win some you loose some. Take the Western space station, Zillions of dollars, and at the end of the day they dont know why they built it, apart from seeming to be a good idea at the time.

A case of build it first and find a proper use for it latter.
 

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well, another in the Yaogan series has now been launched. Looks like they are going for a pretty aggressive launch schedule with this series.
Official News reported it's a multi-satellite launched in one shot, thus came the rumor that YaoGan-9 is sea surveillance satellite system similar to NOSS, the "white cloud".

Looks like TG made some progress in locating US CVBG.
 

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A heavy-thrust launch vehicle - three times more powerful than LM-5 - is under scientific study.

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by Staff Writers
Beijing, China (XNA) Mar 09, 2010
A new heavy-thrust carrier rocket is under scientific research, with the goal of sending astronauts to the moon, scientists said.
Although there is no official timetable yet for China's moon landing, scientists are researching a new powerful carrier rocket with a lift-off thrust of 3,000 tons, Liang Xiaohong, vice-president of the China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology, told China Daily on Thursday.

"The heavy-thrust launcher's lift-off thrust will be three times that of the Long March-5, China's current largest launcher," said Liang, who is also a member of the 11th CPPCC national committee.

The large-thrust Long March-5 launch vehicle has a lift-off thrust of 1,000 tons, which enables it to send a maximum payload of 25 tons to the near-Earth orbit and a payload of 10 tons to the higher geo-stationary orbit. Designed for transporting heavyweight satellites and space stations, it is slated to take off in 2014, according to Liang.

Compared to the Long March-5, the heavy-thrust launcher will be more powerful, but its payload capacity is still under discussion, he said.

The Long March-5 is also likely to be used in the preparatory stage of a future moon landing, he added.

China is currently studying the feasibility of a moon landing, despite US President Barack Obama's decision to kill NASA's $100-billion plans to return astronauts to the moon.

Bao Weimin, an academician with the Chinese Academy of Sciences and a CPPCC national committee member, said: "A moon landing program is very necessary, because it could drive the country's scientific and technological development."

Besides the heavy-thrust carrier rocket under study, the academy is also developing a new family of carrier rockets for future space programs.

"The Long March-6 will be a small-thrust carrier rocket, and the Long March-7 will be a medium-thrust launch vehicle. Together with the Long March-5, they will form a family that can cover all necessities for launch vehicles and replace the current carrier rockets," Liang said.

So far, the Long March-5 project has entered the testability analysis stage, he added.

About 100,000 square meters of workshops have been completed so far at a new base being built in the Binhai New Area of the northern coastal city of Tianjin. The facility will be used for testing and manufacturing the Long March-5. Construction began last year with an investment of 1.5 billion yuan ($220 million), Liang said.

Eventually, a total investment of 10 billion yuan will be poured into the base, which will be able to produce a maximum of 12 Long March-5 launch vehicles each year, he said.

Qi Faren, former chief designer of Shenzhou spaceships and a CPPCC national committee member, said on Thursday that the Long March-5 will be used to launch China's space station mission.

"We aim to send the core module of the space station into orbit before 2020. Without the large-thrust launcher, the 20-ton core module cannot be in place," he said.

Before that, however, the first task of the Long March 5 may be to send the Fengyun-4 weather satellite into space from the launch center under construction at Wenchang in Hainan, China's southern island province, according to Liang.

The new Fengyun-4 satellite, which is under design, weighs about eight to nine tons, which cannot be lifted by the current launchers that can carry a maximum payload of 5.2 tons to geo-stationary orbit, he added.


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Its known as taking calulated choices, you win some you loose some. Take the Western space station, Zillions of dollars, and at the end of the day they dont know why they built it, apart from seeming to be a good idea at the time.

A case of build it first and find a proper use for it latter.

I don't quite agree with you on this point. Sure, the International Space Station is the most expensive object ever built by man but the data that it offers are simply invaluable. How can we travel to Mars and the Jovian satellites without studying the effects of microgravity on the human body? How would scientists know whether we'll be able to grow food on such a voyage without the orbitabl experimentations? How can we develop the hardware necessary for a voyage without testing them in the "backyards" of low-earth orbit first?
 

bladerunner

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How can we travel to Mars and the Jovian satellites without studying the effects of microgravity on the human body? How would scientists know whether we'll be able to grow food on such a voyage without the orbitabl experimentations? How can we develop the hardware necessary for a voyage without testing them in the "backyards" of low-earth orbit first?

A lot of that was carried out on MIR

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Yes I am aware of the MIR. However I believe that it is still necessary to continue research on space stations since discoveries in space technologies are still being discovered. Just because we've built jet fighter planes in the 50s doesn't mean that we should refrain from enhancing the design...

Another benefit of space stations is that it offers training for Astronaut on long-distance space travels. Think of it as a nice, safe base camp where Astronauts could acclimate to life in space.
 

bladerunner

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Yes I am aware of the MIR. However I believe that it is still necessary to continue research on space stations since discoveries in space technologies are still being discovered. Just because we've built jet fighter planes in the 50s doesn't mean that we should refrain from enhancing the design...

Another benefit of space stations is that it offers training for Astronaut on long-distance space travels. Think of it as a nice, safe base camp where Astronauts could acclimate to life in space.

When the I.S.S. was proposed I remember opponents claiming that a lot of the supposed benefits could be achieved in simulators back on earth. However in the forseable future I think the closest planet man is going to be able to travel to is Mars.

Our current propulsion system is the equivilent of rowing or sailing. Man hasnt be able to come up with an alternative propulsion system fast enough to even entertain visiting other habitable planets and galaxies, that are light yrs away.
 

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When the I.S.S. was proposed I remember opponents claiming that a lot of the supposed benefits could be achieved in simulators back on earth. However in the forseable future I think the closest planet man is going to be able to travel to is Mars.

Our current propulsion system is the equivilent of rowing or sailing. Man hasnt be able to come up with an alternative propulsion system fast enough to even entertain visiting other habitable planets and galaxies, that are light yrs away.

I agree with your point on the propulsion system. The rocket engine is not the most efficient drive out there and I am disappointed by the lack of development in alternative drives such as ion and plasma drives (VASMIR). As for intestellar travel... I don't think I'll see it in my life time due to the speed of light limit.
 
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