China's Space Program News Thread

[SampanViking]

Re: china manned space - news and views

Natural processes can't explain those structures.
One possible explanation is someone hacked the official website and messed with the images. Or it's possible someone inside the organisation playing ding dong with the images.

Try pixilation. When you view a digital image at extreme resolution it automatically squares each component of an image, thus rendering irregular objects as geometrically symmetrical. If in addition you have underlying Basaltic Geology (hardly unlikely in an impact crater) you can also have a indication of regular geometry. So add Geology, Sunlight reflection and high resolution pixilation and you can easily produce some strange looking landscapes just like these guys at Mars Anomaly have done.

 

[vesicles]

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If one were to look carefully, the structures are too complex for it to be attributed to natural processes. One possible and more down-to-earth reason could be that of what I've posted in the previous post.

Nothing personal, but this kind of statements makes me mad. Nothing scientific nor logic about this statement at all! How do you define "complex"? Cannot be explained by the existing theories? Do we assume that we understand absolutely every naturally occurring phenomenon in the universe? So if we can't explain it, it HAS to be man-made/god-made??

So many seudo science people use this kind of statement as some sort of argument: UFO, aliens, supernatural creationism, etc... "It's too complex, so it HAS to be ____ (just fill "whatever you want to believe" in the blank). Simply because we cannot explain it NOW, it does NOT mean that it cannot be explained EVER. Again, in order to make this kind of statement, one has to assume that we human has the complete understanding of absolutely everything and anything going on in the universe. We are nowhere near that.

So unless there is concrete evidence, I will NOT accept that the Mars image is evidence of civilization on the planet. By evidence, I mean finding artifacts, drawings, buildings, etc. A few lines in the sand will not do. How do we know that some unknown Martian weather pattern can't do that?

 

[Quickie]

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Try pixilation. When you view a digital image at extreme resolution it automatically squares each component of an image, thus rendering irregular objects as geometrically symmetrical. If in addition you have underlying Basaltic Geology (hardly unlikely in an impact crater) you can also have a indication of regular geometry. So add Geology, Sunlight reflection and high resolution pixilation and you can easily produce some strange looking landscapes just like these guys at Mars Anomaly have done.

The pixel resolution is very much smaller than the structures. Try to notise the not-so-geometric things in the image - like for example the "snow" - and you'll get an idea how much smaller the pixel size is. Another thing is if you just concentrate on the plane of the flat surfaces of the structures, you'll notise that they basically goes along three planes i.e. horizontal, vertical and along the slope of the ground. Natural geologic structures don't form flat surfaces that are square, rectangle, round and even if they do by rare chance, it'll be among other irregular shapes and not all by themselves, and the angle of the plane of these surfaces will be in all direction. On the other hand, the flat surfaces of the structures in the image, just like our house, follow definite directions i.e. horizontal, vertical, sloping in one angle like the roof or along the slope of the ground.

As I've already said, it's possible this could just be the workings of an elaborate hoax, but I'm not really sure about this. If only people could just download full resolution pictures of the crater from NASA or JPL.

Edit: The pictures by C.K. at the bottom of the page are much clearer.

 

[SampanViking]

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The pixel resolution is very much smaller than the structures. Try to notise the not-so-geometric things in the image - like for example the "snow" - and you'll get an idea how much smaller the pixel size is. Another thing is if you just concentrate on the plane of the flat surfaces of the structures, you'll notise that they basically goes along three planes i.e. horizontal, vertical and along the slope of the ground. Natural geologic structures don't form flat surfaces that are square, rectangle, round and even if they do by rare chance, it'll be among other irregular shapes and not all by themselves, and the angle of the plane of these surfaces will be in all direction. On the other hand, the flat surfaces of the structures in the image, just like our house, follow definite directions i.e. horizontal, vertical, sloping in one angle like the roof or along the slope of the ground.

As I've already said, it's possible this could just be the workings of an elaborate hoax, but I'm not really sure about this. If only people could just download full resolution pictures of the crater from NASA or JPL.

Edit: The pictures by C.K. at the bottom of the page are much clearer.

Even is you discount pixilation (which I am not entirely sure you can) that still elaves many aspects of Geology or even Geology to consider. One thing which springs to mind is the effect of freezing. If you look at the Ice on the Surface of Io, you see not dissimilar patterns and so I wonder if down in the sheltered deep of the crater if CO2 Ice is not simply freezing outlines based in dunes and rock outcrops and creating symmetrical patterns.

Personally, I love speculation, but you must keep things in perspective and not allow imagination to run away with you. Its one thing to see an anomaly and speculate on the possible causes, prior to being able to go there and investigate and quite another to begin channelling a psychic alien civilisation and being to able to produce volumes on its history and ethics which sadly is all to often what you meet on these history conspiracy sites.

 

[Quickie]

Re: china manned space - news and views

Even is you discount pixilation (which I am not entirely sure you can) that still elaves many aspects of Geology or even Geology to consider. One thing which springs to mind is the effect of freezing. If you look at the Ice on the Surface of Io, you see not dissimilar patterns and so I wonder if down in the sheltered deep of the crater if CO2 Ice is not simply freezing outlines based in dunes and rock outcrops and creating symmetrical patterns.

Personally, I love speculation, but you must keep things in perspective and not allow imagination to run away with you. Its one thing to see an anomaly and speculate on the possible causes, prior to being able to go there and investigate and quite another to begin channelling a psychic alien civilisation and being to able to produce volumes on its history and ethics which sadly is all to often what you meet on these history conspiracy sites.

No one here is saying we should speculate on any more than the structure being of intelligent design or it being the workings of a hoax!

I would say if ESA were to admit to the images being the original, it would definitely worths the effort to go for another mission to Mars just to investigate the site. This time, China and Russia should go since it's that much harder to pull off a conspiracy (if there's one) when more countries are involved.

 

[siegecrossbow]

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Ok! The thread is about the Chinese manned space program and not the Martian Space program. Please get back to topic guys.

I've seen articles on the Chinese BBS claiming that China is developing her own indigenous "space-shuttle". The article said that the prototype will be launched from the belly of the bomber, making it more of a Chinese X-15 than an actual space shuttle. Does anyone have more info on this project?

 

[Quickie]

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I remember seeing a picture of a shuttle-like spacecraft under the belly of a H-6 quite some time ago. Wonder how far it has gone along since then. These type of spacecrafts are at present meant only for low orbit application.

The American space program is starting to move towards deep space, with the aim of landing on Mars in Obama's lifetime. Hmm, I wonder what's their real reason for deciding not to land on the moon again.

 

[bladerunner]

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I remember seeing a picture of a shuttle-like spacecraft under the belly of a H-6 quite some time ago. Wonder how far it has gone along since then. These type of spacecrafts are at present meant only for low orbit application.

The American space program is starting to move towards deep space, with the aim of landing on Mars in Obama's lifetime. Hmm, I wonder what's their real reason for deciding not to land on the moon again.

Been there done that. Im not to sure whether they intend trying for a manned landing on Mars.Anyway Pres Obama will be long gone, so the space enthusists wont be able to diss him.

 

[bladerunner]

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Ever wondered what the Chinese Space Venturers get to eat.

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Positively First Class. It makes The Russian and American spacemen feel as if they are travelling in "Tourist Class"

According to the newly published autobiography of Yang Liwei, head of China's first manned space mission in 2003, the crew's meals included dog meat from Huajiang county, which is renowned for its health benefits.

The meat is claimed to "cure high blood pressure, help build up old people's health, and reduce frequent urination," handy on a long voyage.

Yang Liwei: Head of Shenzhou 5, China's first manned spaceflight
In contrast, according to a Reuters article from last year, American space food runs to chicken with rice and macaroni and cheese, and Russians go for canned fish and borscht. The Japanese, of course, eat sushi.

A Chinese space menu from 2009 includes Huajiang dog, as well as some rather more appealing fare. It certainly sounds tastier than what the Americans get, although the actual logistics of cooking complex dishes in space is not explained:

Day One: Lotus root porridge, crispy tofu with spring onions, braised yellow croaker fish, pork ribs with seaweed, spinach with minced garlic.

Day Two: Spicy pig skin, braised duck neck, hairy crab with ginger, chicken liver with chilli, pine nuts with sweetcorn, three-flavour soup.

Day Three: Poached egg in fermented rice soup, Harbin sausage, Huajiang dog, baby cuttlefish casserole, eel with green pepper, spicy beans with dried tofu.

Apples, pears and oranges served with every meal, as well as rice, noodles, sweet potatoes.

Laika, the sole passenger of Sputnik 2 in 1957, was the first dog in space.

[the Telegraph via Fuchsia Dunlop]

 

[pla101prc]

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Ever wondered what the Chinese Space Venturers get to eat.

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Positively First Class. It makes The Russian and American spacemen feel as if they are travelling in "Tourist Class"

According to the newly published autobiography of Yang Liwei, head of China's first manned space mission in 2003, the crew's meals included dog meat from Huajiang county, which is renowned for its health benefits.

The meat is claimed to "cure high blood pressure, help build up old people's health, and reduce frequent urination," handy on a long voyage.

Yang Liwei: Head of Shenzhou 5, China's first manned spaceflight
In contrast, according to a Reuters article from last year, American space food runs to chicken with rice and macaroni and cheese, and Russians go for canned fish and borscht. The Japanese, of course, eat sushi.

A Chinese space menu from 2009 includes Huajiang dog, as well as some rather more appealing fare. It certainly sounds tastier than what the Americans get, although the actual logistics of cooking complex dishes in space is not explained:

Day One: Lotus root porridge, crispy tofu with spring onions, braised yellow croaker fish, pork ribs with seaweed, spinach with minced garlic.

Day Two: Spicy pig skin, braised duck neck, hairy crab with ginger, chicken liver with chilli, pine nuts with sweetcorn, three-flavour soup.

Day Three: Poached egg in fermented rice soup, Harbin sausage, Huajiang dog, baby cuttlefish casserole, eel with green pepper, spicy beans with dried tofu.

Apples, pears and oranges served with every meal, as well as rice, noodles, sweet potatoes.

Laika, the sole passenger of Sputnik 2 in 1957, was the first dog in space.

[the Telegraph via Fuchsia Dunlop]

not bad...i think dog meat is a Chinese medicine. i dont really like the taste though.

maybe one day we'll get to enjoy good food in other branches of military