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HKSDU

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If we say China copies this in that, then we can say university students who graduate copied the theory from their lectures. No, uni students learn from lectures and materials, then apply that in projects. Thats what China is simply doing learning and studying. People see China technology in one parameter copying. I dont I see it as 4 catergories:
*Studying/Learning (Eg. QBZ 95)
*Reliance (AL-31)
*Influenced (Type 99)
*Copy (EQ2050)
 

Red Moon

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I am wondering why peoples are so obsessed with whether the chinese have help from other people in developing their manned space flight and mission. The bottomline is... WHO CARES???

As long as the space ship flies and mission is accomplished, it is a crediable feat for the Chinese.

Btw, as I have always believe - unless there is no one with previous experience or not willing or wanting to impart these experience, "Why do you want to reinvent the wheel?"

I agree

You are now deliberately misinterpreting facts to fit your skewed viewpoint. Orbital module is part of the spacecraft. Just because said portion of Soyuz does not have propulsion, that does not mean Soyuz itself does not have propulsion. I can assure you without looking into Google that Soyuz has propulsion, because a spacecraft without propulsion would be absolutely useless with no ways of bringing back the astronauts...
Similarities are superficial...
No doubt engineers in China studied the Soyuz extensively to arrive at their own design, but there is no Soyuz shell involved...

Whatever...
 

Schumacher

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China greets the new year with a new Beidou. This may be a very busy year for China's space development.

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China opens 2010 with BeiDou-2 satellite launch
January 16th, 2010 by Rui C. Barbosa

The Chinese have opened their 2010 campaign by orbiting a navigation satellite via a CZ-3C Chang Zheng-3C (CZ3C-3) launch vehicle from the Xi Chang satellite Launch Center, in Sichuan Province. Previously scheduled to take place last year, the launch of the new BeiDou-2 (Compass-G1) finally took place at 16:12 UTC on Saturday.

First Chinese Launch of 2010:

The Compass constellation will consist of approximately 35 vehicles, including 30 MEO satellites, with nine satellites for each orbit plane and five GSO satellites.

The satellites – developed from the DFH-3 satellite platform – will transmit signals on the following carrier frequencies: 1195.14-1219.14MHz, 1256.52-1280.52MHz, 1559.05-1563.15MHz and 1587.69-1591.79MHz. Some of the signals overlay the Galileo PRS band and the GPS M-code.

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The Compass Navigation Satellite System (CNSS) is China’s second-generation satellite navigation system, capable of providing continuous, real-time passive 3D geo-spatial positioning and speed measurement.

The system will initially provide high-accuracy positioning services for users in China and its neighboring regions, covering an area of about 120 degrees longitude in the Northern Hemisphere. The long-term goal is to develop a global navigation satellite network similar to the GPS and GLONASS.

Like the American and Russian counterparts, CNSS will have a civilian service that has an accuracy of 10 meters in the user position, 0.2 m/s on the user velocity and 50 nanoseconds in time accuracy; along with the military and authorized users service – providing higher accuracies.

The first phase of the project will aim for full coverage of the Chinese territory, before the Compass constellation eventually covers the entire globe.

Previous BeiDou satellites were launched on October 30, 2000 ‘BeiDou-1A’ (Catalogue Number: 26599 International Designation: 2000-069A); December 20, 2000 ‘BeiDou-1B’ (26643 2000-082A); May 24, 2003 ‘BeiDou-1C’ (27813 2003-021A); February 2, 2007 ‘BeiDou-1D’ (30323 2007-003A); April 13, 2007 ‘BeiDou-2 Compass-M1′ (31115 2007-011A); and April 14, 2009 ‘BeiDou-2 Compass-G2′ (34779 2009-018A).

This was the third flight of the CZ-3C Chang Zheng-3C launch vehicle. This rocket was developed to fill the gap between the CZ-3A Chang Zheng-3A and the CZ-3B Chang Zheng-3B, having a payload capacity of 3,800 kg for GTO. This is a three stage launch vehicle, identical to the CZ-3B with only two strap-on boosters on its first stage.

The development of the CZ-3C started in February 1999. The rocket has a liftoff mass of 345,000 kg. The first two stages as well as the two strap on boosters use hypergolic fuel while the third stage uses cryogenic fuel. The total length of the CZ-3A is 54.838 meters, with a diameter of 3.35 meters on the core stage and 3.00 meters on the third stage.

The first launch of the CZ-3C Chang Zheng-3C launch vehicle took place on April 25, 2008 when it orbited the first TL-1 Tian Lian-1 tracking and data relay satellite.

This was the 123rd successful Chinese orbital launch and the 122nd launch of a Chang Zheng launch vehicle.

The Xi Chang Satellite Launch Centre is situated in the Sichuan Province, south-western China and is the country’s launch site for geosynchronous orbital launches.

Equipped with two launch pads (LC2 and LC3), the centre has a dedicated railway and highway lead directly to the launch site. The Command and Control Centre is located seven kilometers south-west of the launch pad, providing flight and safety control during launch rehearsal and launch.

Other facilities on the Xi Chang Satellite Launch Centre are the Launch Control Centre, propellant fuelling systems, communications systems for launch command, telephone and data communications for users, and support equipment for meteorological monitoring and forecasting.

The first launch from Xi Chang took place at 12:25UTC on January 29, 1984, when the CZ-3 Chang Zheng-3 (CZ3-1) was launched the Shiyan Weixing (14670 1984-008A) communications satellite into orbit. The launch of the new BeiDou-2 satellite was the 52nd successful orbital launch from Xi Chang.
 

pla101prc

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this one was long anticipated cuz there was a leak on the internet lol.

but apparently there was only one launch of Beidou last year due to a failure of the nigerian satellite...all GEO launch missions were suspended. so prolly 4-6 launches this year
 

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Ukraine in 2009 shares fourth position with China in number of own-made
missile carriers launches

Kyiv, January 25 (Interfax-Ukraine) - Six Ukrainian-made missile
carriers was launched on the international space service market in 2009,
which helped Ukraine to be fourth along with China in the world's rating
of space states in the said terms, the National Space Agency of Ukraine
told Interfax-Ukraine last week.
Three launches of the Zenit-3SLB missile carriers was carried out
from Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan as a part of the Land Launch
project last year, and one Zenit-3SL missile carrier was launched from
the sea pad in the Pacific as a part of the Sea Launch international
project, and one Dnepr from Baikonur and one Cyclone-3 missile carriers
from the Plesetsk (Russia) were also launched.
Russia is the first in the international launch rating (27
successful launches), the United States is the second (24 launches and
23 successful ones), France is the third (seven successful launches) and
China and Ukraine are the fourth (six successful launches each).
Japan had three successful launches, India - two and Iran - one.
North and South Koreas conducted one launch each, and they were not
successful.
A total of 78 missile carriers were launched from 16 space pads in
the world in 2009, including 74 successful launches, one partially
successful launch and three unsuccessful launches. The number of
carriers launched in 2009 grew by nine from 2008.
A total of 123 satellites were put in orbit in 2009, which are 19
satellites more than in 2008.
it's about Ukraine, but also revealed that China had 6 missile carrier launches this past year
 

erikh

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Obama aims to ax moon mission

By Robert Block and Mark K. Matthews
Orlando Sentinel

NASA's plans to return astronauts to the moon are dead. So are the rockets being designed to take them there — that is, if President Barack Obama gets his way.

When the White House releases his budget proposal Monday, there will be no money for the Constellation program that was supposed to return humans to the moon by 2020. The troubled and expensive Ares I rocket that was to replace the space shuttle to ferry humans to space will be gone, along with money for its bigger brother, the Ares V cargo rocket that was to launch the fuel and supplies needed to take humans back to the moon.

There will be no lunar landers, no moon bases, no Constellation program at all.

In their place, according to White House insiders, agency officials, industry executives and congressional sources familiar with Obama's long-awaited plans for the space agency, NASA will look at developing a new "heavy-lift" rocket that one day will take humans and robots to explore beyond low Earth orbit. But that day will be years — possibly even a decade or more — away.

In the meantime, the White House will direct NASA to concentrate on Earth-science projects — principally, researching and monitoring climate change — and on a new technology research and development program that will one day make human exploration of asteroids and the inner solar system possible.

There will also be funding for private companies to develop capsules and rockets that can be used as space taxis to take astronauts on fixed-price contracts to and from the International Space Station — a major change in the way the agency has done business for the past 50 years.

The White House budget request, which is certain to meet fierce resistance in Congress, scraps the Bush administration's Vision for Space Exploration and signals a major reorientation of NASA, especially in the area of human spaceflight.

"We certainly don't need to go back to the moon," said one administration official.

Everyone interviewed for this article spoke on condition of anonymity, either because they are not authorized to talk for the White House or because they fear for their jobs. All are familiar with the broad sweep of Obama's budget proposal, but none would talk about specific numbers because these are being tightly held by the White House until the release of the budget.

But senior administration officials say the spending freeze for some federal agencies is not going to apply to the space agency in this budget proposal. Officials said NASA was expected to see some "modest" increase in its current $18.7 billion annual budget — possibly $200 million to $300 million more but far less than the $1 billion boost agency officials had hoped for.

They also said that the White House plans to extend the life of the International Space Station to at least 2020. One insider said there would be an "attractive sum" of money — to be spent over several years — for private companies to make rockets to carry astronauts there.

But Obama's budget freeze is likely to hamstring NASA in coming years as the spending clampdown will eventually shackle the agency and its ambitions. And this year's funding request to develop both commercial rockets and a new NASA spaceship will be less than what was recommended by a White House panel of experts last year.

That panel, led by former Lockheed Martin CEO Norm Augustine, concluded that to have a "viable" human space-exploration program, NASA needed a $3 billion annual budget hike, and that it would take as much as $5 billion distributed over five years to develop commercial rockets that could carry astronauts safely to and from the space station.

Last year, lawmakers prohibited NASA from canceling any Constellation programs and starting new ones in their place unless the cuts were approved by Congress. The provision sends a "direct message that the Congress believes Constellation is, and should remain, the future of America's human space flight program," wrote U.S. Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., last month.

Nevertheless, NASA contractors have been quietly planning on the end of Ares I, which is years behind schedule and millions of dollars over budget. NASA has already spent more than $3 billion on Ares I and more than $5 billion on the rest of Constellation.

In recent days, NASA has been soliciting concepts for a new heavy-lift rocket from major contractors, including Boeing Co., Lockheed Martin Corp. and Pratt & Whitney. Last week, a group of moonlighting NASA engineers and rocket hobbyists proposed variations on old agency designs that use the shuttle's main engines and fuel tank to launch a capsule into space. According to officials and industry executives familiar with the presentations, some of the contractor designs are very similar to the one pressed by the hobbyists.

Officially, companies such as Boeing still support Constellation and its millions of dollars of contracts. Some believe that in a battle with Congress, Ares may survive.

"I would not say Ares is dead yet," said an executive with one major NASA contractor. "It's probably more accurate to say it's on life support. We have to wait to see how the coming battle ends."

Few doubt that a fight is looming. In order to finance new science and technology programs and find money for commercial rockets, Obama will be killing off programs that have created jobs in some powerful constituencies, including the Marshall Space Flight Center in Shelby's Alabama. But the White House is said to be ready for a fight.

The end of the shuttle program this year is already going to slash 7,000 jobs at Kennedy Space Center.

One administration official said the budget will send a message that it's time members of Congress recognize that NASA can't design space programs to create jobs in their districts. "That's the view of the president," the official said.

Robert Block, who reported from Cape Canaveral, can be reached at [email protected] or 321-639-0522. Mark K. Matthews, who reported from Washington, can be reached at mmatthews@

Well, maybe China can close in the gap with the US now :china:
 

EdT586

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Me Bad for overlooking that aspect.and I do think China should be proud on what she's achieved.

The point I was trying to get across is that although each country or private enterprise that has space ambitions, has its own hurdles to cross, I think it is easier for the later starters such as China India Japan etc than it was for the Pioneers in space travel, as they had to go through alot more trial and error.

However IMO a huge gap still remains in space technology and achievement between USA and China even when she does land on the moon.


History will only record two notable facts !, China’s ascendancy to the first rank of space powers becoming only the third member of the elite club of nations capable of flying humans in space and only the second nation capable of landing man on the moon ! ...doesn't sound too bad a 100 years from now does it ?
 

bladerunner

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History will only record two notable facts !, China’s ascendancy to the first rank of space powers becoming only the third member of the elite club of nations capable of flying humans in space and only the second nation capable of landing man on the moon ! ...doesn't sound too bad a 100 years from now does it ?

I think you are wrong, The History books will show it was a race between USSR and the USA, the Americans got to the moon first, end of story.

But then again History is often analysed, dissected and put into perspective, im willing to wager that between here and a hundred years in the future, more countries than China and the USA will have been to the moon.

Its a bit like the discovery of the New World. At the time Columbus sailed to America, there would have been at least 3 other maritime powers that had the boats and sailing prowess to have done it,even China, had the curiosity or political will been there.

By the same token the Russians could have got to the moon eventually if they had persevered, The E.U. certainly has the technology to get there, perhaps Japan too, if it had so wanted but as the history books will also indicate, the space fearing powers lost interest in the moon and money was directed at more pressing concerns and other space ventures.

Personally I dont really care a less about whos 1st 2nd or 3rd as long as all mankind benefits. I prefer to regard them as mans achievements rather than any specific country. Afterall, scientists of many ethnic origins have contributed to mans venture into space.

@ erikh

Who knows, maybe the direction that Obama is directing NASA to take, and the greater inclusion of private industry into space flight may prove more beneficial in the long run.
 
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ZTZ99

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I think you are wrong, The History books will show it was a race between USSR and the USA, the Americans got to the moon first, end of story.

But then again History is often analysed, dissected and put into perspective, im willing to wager that between here and a hundred years in the future, more countries than China and the USA will have been to the moon.

Its a bit like the discovery of the New World. At the time Columbus sailed to America, there would have been at least 3 other maritime powers that had the boats and sailing prowess to have done it,even China, had the curiosity or political will been there.

By the same token the Russians could have got to the moon eventually if they had persevered, The E.U. certainly has the technology to get there, perhaps Japan too, if it had so wanted but as the history books will also indicate, the space fearing powers lost interest in the moon and money was directed at more pressing concerns and other space ventures.

Personally I dont really care a less about whos 1st 2nd or 3rd as long as all mankind benefits. I prefer to regard them as mans achievements rather than any specific country. Afterall, scientists of many ethnic origins have contributed to mans venture into space.

@ erikh

Who knows, maybe the direction that Obama is directing NASA to take, and the greater inclusion of private industry into space flight may prove more beneficial in the long run.

I think you two are both skewed to extremely biased polar opposite points of view regarding this issue. History on lunar landings is yet to be written, and it will tend to favor the preeminent power(s) of the time. If China is the preeminent world power in 50 years and it has moon bases dotted all over the lunar landscape mining deuterium while the US has gone the way of Great Britain, the fact that the US beat Russia to the moon will be a sidenote of history. If the US continues to be the dominant space power in the world, this sidenote will continue to receive emphasis.
 

bladerunner

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I think you two are both skewed to extremely biased polar opposite points of view regarding this issue. History on lunar landings is yet to be written, and it will tend to favor the preeminent power(s) of the time. If China is the preeminent world power in 50 years and it has moon bases dotted all over the lunar landscape mining deuterium while the US has gone the way of Great Britain, the fact that the US beat Russia to the moon will be a sidenote of history. If the US continues to be the dominant space power in the world, this sidenote will continue to receive emphasis.

A thoughtful point of view,probably correct in more ways then none, however I see the landings on the moon in two phases

The race to the moon by USSR and the USA to demonstrate ones technological and engineering , superiority over the other, is done and dusted, no prizes for second, and that fact will continue to receive pride of place in chapter one, of mans venture to the moon, no matter what.

The second phase is as you said the colonizing of the moon and Ill concede to your views on the factors that will influence the historical records.
 
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