Victor Gao and Von der Leyen would disagree with you on that. I'm sure Modi and the Indian leadership would as well.
China's SCS Strategy Thread
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Why, because PLAN screwed up and battered their own ships? You cannot force two other ships to crash into each other on the open sea. Only their own incompetence can do that.
it would be very superficial to see this through the lens of "wolf warrior" stuff. read in between the lines of CG's statement after the incident, which claim that they did nothing wrong. essentially they were accusing the navy of the screw up. at a minimum, there is an unhealthy relationship between the navy and the CG. the question of why 164 was so involved is legitimate, and i have said earlier that is because they were chasing glory, and perhaps there is some inter-departmental competition there. it is definitely not an overkill to court-martial officers in this case. there will for sure be people higher than the 164 captain whose heads will roll.
in the grand scheme of things, if proper fixes are rendered, this is likely not a significant incident.
In this case, it does not matter who fires the first shot: Manila is going to play victim until she learns to call Beijing instead of Washington "daddy."
What matters is narrative control, especially with respect to audiences that are politically salient and can be reasonably influenced.
With that said, Beijing will subdue and seduce Manila with whatever tools and approaches that make the most sense, so long as the costs are reasonable and the risks are manageable.
That's a bad idea, unless the PLAN Guilin and/or CCG Nanyu command teams clearly violated both the letter and spirit of their orders.
Even then, it'd be reckless to get more punitive than absolutely necessary: at most you push the command teams into early retirement, unless there was gross negligence.
No navy or coast guard wants their skippers across the fleet to think they'll get crucified for doing their jobs should they run short on luck: failure is inevitable while pursuing excellence, and both officers and sailors need to be able to trust their institutions and leadership to take the risks necessary for performing their duties.
That's a good idea, and likely to occur.
Čína postavila mnoho kvalitních válečných lodí, ale zdá se, že stále zaostává ve výcviku, taktice a pokynech pro vznikající situace. Někdy je takový budíček docela užitečný. Zdá se, že přišel ve správný čas.
Jen doufám, stejně jako mnoho komentátorů, že to neoslabí odvahu a odhodlání armády a diplomacie. Putin si v tomto ohledu také vědomě vzal ponaučení a to ponaučení bylo krvavé.
Jen doufám, stejně jako mnoho komentátorů, že to neoslabí odvahu a odhodlání armády a diplomacie. Putin si v tomto ohledu také vědomě vzal ponaučení a to ponaučení bylo krvavé.
Sorry, I accidentally inserted the concept.
The correct answer is:
China has built many good-quality warships, but it seems to be still lagging behind in training, tactics and guidelines for emerging situations. Sometimes such a wake-up call is quite a useful thing. It seems to have come at the right time.
I just hope, like many of the commentators, that this will not weaken the courage and determination of the military and diplomacy. Well, Putin knows his lesson about this too, and his lesson was bloody.
Here is the official statement from Chinese coast guard website about the incident.
It's just standard diplomatic language saying Chinese did nothing wrong. It was all professional and lawful, an expected statement to counter against Philippine narrative. I don't see any underhanded effort of attributing blames.
As to why 164 was involved, maybe the Chinese coast guard cutter (based on type 056) might not have the necessary persistent speed or acceleration to match the Philippine cutter.
Here is the English version published on the PLA official website for the those who can't read Chinese.
Looks like the fault lies with the Coast Guard ship for turning directly into the path of the DDG, which can't turn as sharply and was thus unable to avoid the collision.
Ideally they should not use 052D for this in the future once the coast guard variant of 052 enters service. According to Yankeesama development is coming along nicely and it will use a new engine design and be the fastest ship of its tonnage in East Asia.
Navies don't train at all for this kind of plays. Some coast guard personnel do for anti-smuggling purposes. The thing is though, anti-smuggling is done by small boats against small boats. Ramming has no place in naval combat or even territory enforcement. Modern warships are all soft skin vessels to start with.
The ultimate blame here goes to the leaders who adopted ramming as policy. It is just dangerous, ineffective and looks ridiculuous.