I think they should develop a 130mm concrete round...
Although the PCG boat might still be sunk by such
Although the PCG boat might still be sunk by such
China's SCS Strategy Thread
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Firing warning shot is useless if you are not willing to carry out the threat in full. After all, it is a demonstration of willingness to use lethal force.
That being said, there certainly should be questions being asked on why a destroyer is needed to play "can't touch me" game with Philippine... Do CCG have manpower shortage or something?
No, I don't think so. China shouldn't be the one start the first shot. After all, the Philippine side only tried to get away (even if they bait the Chinese side) and it is the incompetence on the Chinese side that cause them to crash their own ship.
I think had that destroyer hit further towards the centre of the coast guard vessel it may have sunk it. That was really close to a total catastrophe.
It want the CG but a Chinese destroyer I thought…
The Filipinos are playing with their lives because they can blame China whichever way this incident went down. You can't deny that they were stupidly brave. If the 052D went a bit more to its starboard it would have rammed the Filipino Coast Guard mid-ship, and it would have sunk with a large loss of life. The 052D would suffer much more than a scratch (likely losing the entire front end and damaging the 130mm) and the PLAN will still get blamed for being overly aggressive. I think China should considering something like a net launcher to blind the bridge of adversarial ships or other methods to hinder its mobility.
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manqiangrexue
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First of all, you write with the anger of someone who has been bullied and shoved into lockers his whole life. The number of times you've used the world "balls" to refer to bravado leads people to feel that there can be no other reason than overcompensation. Your writing is annoying and childish to a point where people who would originally somewhat agree with your general jist will find reasons to disagree with you in order to distance themselves from the feel of a child with anger issues.
Secondly, China's biggest pitch to the world as a replacement to Western domination is that it is not just the next big and aggressive hegemon. It's not the USA in red and yellow instead of red white and blue but a uniquely Chinese benevolent superpower. This ties into Chinese culture of looking down on those who use unassailable advantages to bully others. When China looks to assert itself on a smaller hostile country, it looks to do it by outsmarting them rather than threatening to or actually punching someone's face in with a fist larger than his whole body. In Chinese culture, it is weakness to resort to that level of crudeness when dealing with an obviously weaker foe. The West interprets this as weakness in the same vein that Americans think that the Chinese idolize them because they are well-taken care of when they visit China while Americans can treat (Chinese) tourists like shit. In reality, Chinese see tourists as those who are disadvantaged and confused in a foreign land so pushing them around and tricking them would be too easy and dishonorable due to their weakness given the situation while Western philosophy much more closely resembles child bully politics: "It's my house and my toys so you lower your head to me and do what I say."
Thirdly, there are very very distinct reasons why the US acts so aggressively. The US is a recumbant superpower; it has done whatever it wants as the lone superpower for decades and it is simply carrying on from what it's used to. Modern China does not have this background to shape its behavior. Also, America is desperate to change something because it is being overrun by China and time is not on its side. Every day that passes, America's chances of retaining its throne narrows and Chinese power grows. Given that, the US is driven to act more aggressively in hopes that something can trigger change while China's happy to calmly stay the course an watch victory drift ever closer. American erratic and aggressive behavior is fairly typical for the sunset of an empire. It is an advantage to be able to secure your future without rocking the boat or doing crazy things.
Lastly, you're not even Chinese but Vietnamese so mind your own business?? I appreciate that you want to be China's Canada but that's not how a Canada works. It's not an angry little Napolean ordering its liege country to commit violent acts. Simmer down and watch us rise. If you can't sit still, do something for your own country.
The takeaway from this is that it was a very serious captain error which may or may not have been forced due to the constraints imposed due to China preferring to outsmart a smaller foe rather than using crude brute force. It failed miserably this time. We will analyze events and find ways to better ourselves through improvements in command structure, communication, protocol, and training.
To the Filipinos, you have reason to celebrate. You tricked 2 enemy ships into colliding with each other which is the ultimate victory in outmaneuvering an opponent; bravo. Sorry for the poor showing; we promise to improve, come back and put on a much better game for you next time.
What China needs to do after this fiasco is to fire, or at least demote, the captain of both of this two ships. Repair both ship as quick as possible and put them back into service at SCS.
This will send a message to the Philippine, "you can make us hurt ourself, but we will come back stronger every time" lol
This will send a message to the Philippine, "you can make us hurt ourself, but we will come back stronger every time" lol
Right, who would take on the responsibility of using that equipment? I would imagine it will be under CCG, which brings us back to the question on why a commissioned vessel of PLAN is playing "can't touch me" game with PCG.
You were asking about consequences -- all you've done here is to explain that the Philipino ships can be risk averse when they want to be.
Mass means one can come off less poorly in a collision of it happens, and speed means you are still able to leave the fray (or not enter it to begin with) when an opportunity presents itself.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.
Rules of engagement are set by higher level commanders.
A single CO going gung-ho and going against their ROEs just means a CO who has made a mistake and is going to be reprimanded.