China's SCS Strategy Thread

AZaz09dude

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The DDG continued the pursuit after the PCG made yet another dash across its bow -

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And another -

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By this point, after the continuous zigzagging across the DDG's bow by the PCG, the DDG ceased its pursuit -

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I wonder how well 5.8mm rubber rounds feed through QJB201. Couple sailors with those sending bursts from PLAN vessels could be a good interim LTL solution to deter PCG from getting too close and baiting collisions.
 

votran

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No, I don't think so. China shouldn't be the one start the first shot. After all, the Philippine side only tried to get away (even if they bait the Chinese side) and it is the incompetence on the Chinese side that cause them to crash their own ship.
fire first shot and what ? if you talk about firing first shot again someone actually can fight back or valueable enough for US to "must fire back or lose credit/face" like japan korea taiwan india australia then that can be understand

but this is philipines , the only thing they depend on is this
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if you actually read it even NATO arctice 5 you will see the word used in this kind of paper treaty very : flexible

instead of clear cut words guarranted said other side must use military force to engage combat helping other party under attack

remind you : with treaty like this using correct words is very serious matter because if the words written in flexible way then the value of treatly gonna drop down by alot because it basically allow both party twist the those words meaning toward their benefit when the time require helping other side come

in case the confict they force to join in because of treaty not easy winable .

meaning : as long as there are no clear cut words force US fighting china or any other not-easy target to help allied , US can twist the meaning of "help" however their want sending some outdate military scrap aid , donate some money and bye also count as help ...

there are actually no clear cut words guarranted force US hand to use military force at all unless they actually want to

anyway here is the clip of a super pro-US propagrandist think tank guy actually admit even NATO arctice 5 was written in a very flexible way ...it never mean to be some kind of magic seal that when active instantly summon mighty US military in at all
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Sardaukar20

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The DDG continued the pursuit after the PCG made yet another dash across its bow -

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And another -

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By this point, after the continuous zigzagging across the DDG's bow by the PCG, the DDG ceased its pursuit -

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It appears that CCG 3014 was trying too hard to pursue the PCG vessel and splash it with its portside water cannons, resulting in this risky maneuver. Why the CCG failed to notice DDG 164 needs to be determined. Perhaps the CCG had tunnel-visioned, or the DDG had unexpectedly sped up. Either way, there appears to be a breakdown in communication between the two Chinese ships. There should definitely be a post mortem in both services to find out what had happened.

New SOPs would need to be developed to mitigate incidents like these. Next time, if a PCG boat wants to risk getting T-boned by a DDG, allow it to play with fate. Don't get overly obsessed over pursuits and watercannon splashes.
 

GodRektsNoobs

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What China needs to do after this fiasco is to fire, or at least demote, the captain of both of this two ships. Repair both ship as quick as possible and put them back into service at SCS.

This will send a message to the Philippine, "you can make us hurt ourself, but we will come back stronger every time" lol
Next time the PLAN or CCG will turn more to the starboard and ram the Filipinos. China will repair the damage faster than the Filipinos are able to acquire a new ship.

In fact I think an incident of that scale will persuade the Filipinos to come to the negotiating table faster than playing with restraint.
 
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TK3600

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While it is negative for Chinese image to violently attack offenders, it is worse for Chinese image to fail to defend its interest. While it is negative to be seen as violent, it is also positive to be seen as reliable and winning. Reality is more complicated than the politicians envision.
 

texx1

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I hate say this. But I am afraid Chinese enforcement measure would become more timid going forward after this incident. The likely loss of lives on CG cutter will inevitably lead to sackings or at the very least career terminations for officers involved.

Court martial would have a chilling effect on the aggressive spirits of PLAN & CCG officers. Their replacements would become risk averse to prevent further embarrassing incidents just like how Chinese diplomats became less assertive after wolf warrior diplomat Shao lijian was exiled to Department of Boundary and Ocean Affairs at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
 
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