China's SCS Strategy Thread

[sequ]

Interesting VLS count of the worlds major navies:




With PLAN by now having roughly half the USN surface VLS count and looking at the fact that the USN can't have its entire navy engaged in an AR scenario, this year might just very well represent the tipping point where PLAN is confident to have dominance within the 1st Island chain.

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[gelgoog]

Actually the PLAN will continue to improve its position. The Ticonderoga class cruisers of the US will be taken out of service soon. And the next generation ship types the PLAN is putting into service have higher displacement. They will likely increase the amount of VLS cells further in the future.

 

[Micron]

What can Bongbong do? He is still a son of his corrupted father Ferdinand Marco with his family stolen wealth now frozen in the US.
He knew that he has stepped into a quagmire into a state of no return back to normalcy with China today
So he is forced to choose and it is obvious who he has chosen or why.
China do not trusts him nor his administration anymore and there goes the US130 billion MoU he signed with China.
He can only scream like Milei accusing China of not honoring it's MoU but not a cent will be send to Philippines today under him.
Can anyone blame China. China has patience and can afford to wait.
The moment he stepped out of the shadow of th legacy of ex-Pres. Deterte, Bongbong has lost his direction and there is no credit to his name nor his administration. He won because Filipino trusted Deterte.
Philippines is an archipelago of over 7000 islands and these dispute reefs and shoals means nothing to Philippines except to US and China.
USN intends to hide it's SSBN in the SCS for her 1st and 2nd strike capabilities against China. China military is completely awared of it.
China 7 islands military strategy in SCS will make it impossible for any US submarines to hide there without their knowledge.
Philippines with an economy that is forecast to remain in a state of stagnation due to lack of finance, China can afford to play the long waiting game.
BTW Re'nai reef was returned back to China along with others Taiping Island which was then under the interim rule of both KMTwnd CPC jointly after Japan surrendered assisted by USN back in 1945. US turnaround did a discredit to her reputation.

 

[ansy1968]

The moment he stepped out of the shadow of th legacy of ex-Pres. Deterte, Bongbong has lost his direction and there is no credit to his name nor his administration. He won because Filipino trusted Deterte.

His campaign platform is to clear his family name, that's it, NO ECONOMIC policy and definitely NO DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. All the hard work were done by Duterte, so he is sitting pretty until 2025.

Philippines is an archipelago of over 7000 islands and these dispute reefs and shoals means nothing to Philippines except to US and China.
USN intends to hide it's SSBN in the SCS for her 1st and 2nd strike capabilities against China.

Bro to shallow for the SSBN to hide and the SCS is a Chinese lake.

Philippines with an economy that is forecast to remain in a state of stagnation due to lack of finance, China can afford to play the long waiting game.
BTW Re'nai reef was returned back to China along with others Taiping Island which was then under the interim rule of both KMTwnd CPC jointly after Japan surrendered assisted by USN back in 1945. US turnaround did a discredit to her reputation.

I maintain my assertion that Cambodia will leapfrog us by 2030 and @SteelBird, bro me and my children may work for you in the future.

 

[Micron]

Bro to shallow for the SSBN to hide and the SCS is a Chinese lake.

The SCS has proven to be a perfect location with the right depth (not too deep) in order for these SSBN submarine, marauders lie silently below and launch their sudden attack according to naval military experts.

 

[ansy1968]

The SCS has proven to be a perfect location with the right depth (not too deep) in order for these SSBN submarine, marauders lie silently below and launch their sudden attack according to naval military experts.

Copy bro, BUT will you deployed your strategic assets in a confined area? maybe within the second island chain and another thing the extra bases under the new EDCA agreement are mostly located in Northern Luzon an ideal place to launch missile attack against China.

 

[Temstar]

I know @siegecrossbow said EW isn't two wizard in a ring slinging spells at each other but this is really getting weird:



Anything else that could cause weather radar to go haywire like that?

 

[Gloire_bb]

USN intends to hide it's SSBN in the SCS for her 1st and 2nd strike capabilities against China. China military is completely awared of it.

Egh, there is literally everywhere around China where SSBNs can be deployed for flat trajectory strike...other than SCS.

 

[Micron]

Egh, there is literally everywhere around China where SSBNs can be deployed for flat trajectory strike...other than SCS.

Well. It is true but but looking at it from a naval point of view, unlike the SCS, none of them have an ideal seabed like the Sunda shelf with the right sea depth that will allow the marauders to rest and hide until they are discovered.
Wouldn't US be concerned if China did the same in the Caribbean Sea or Bay of Mexico?
The way I see it, it is just a matter of time.
That is why earlier USN was conducting a survey of South China Sea with underwater drones. They have a definite plan but China 7 islands strategy is a spoiler.
Why do you think China is investing so much money building artificial islands?
National Security, of course.

 

[Gloire_bb]

Well. It is true but but looking at it from a naval point of view, unlike the SCS, none of them have an ideal seabed like the Sunda shelf with the right sea depth that will allow the marauders to rest and hide until they are discovered.

Erm, seabed argument is mostly for conventional subs. Nuclear submarines normally can't lie on the bottom, unless specifically designed for it.
For nuclear submarines, as a rule of thumb, deep water=good.

Thus there are already absolutely ideal positions right behind 1st Chain - an absolutely enormous swatch of sea no ASW can properly lock, yet protected by that chain from any consistent Chinese ASW, yet covered by lots of convenient islands(often mountainous) from too early detection of launch, yet almost always with enough weather patches to interfere with space-based IR/Optical observation and early warning assets.
Importantly, key targets for immediate suppression (political centers, C&C, etc) are either very close(and there are better means to strike them compared to ballistic missiles), or are relatively far from SCS - i.e. other strike locations are more advantageous from this point of view, too.

That is why earlier USN was conducting a survey of South China Sea with underwater drones. They have a definite plan but China 7 islands strategy is a spoiler.

SCS is by now the main hub of Chinese naval activity(not even one of anymore), the bastion of Chinese sea deterrent, and a starting point of PLAN SSN deployments.
USN SSBNs don't need to be a reason...