China's SCS Strategy Thread

[BlackWindMnt]

All talks no action, Japan is having trouble with Chinese Coast Guard in the Diaoyu Island, what support can they provide?

By the look of things, Philippine ambassador to the US, Romualdez a cousin of Marcos had a tete a tete with a senior Brandon official (most likely Sullivan) Not to escalate. You can see the result with Carpio having to clarify and backtrack some of the Philippines position rather than outright bravado.

Now China had made its intention clear, work with us or we can make life difficult for you. And to the American don't bluff cause we are not a paper tiger.

If the US can't protect Marcos Philippines why even try Japan especially given the Japanese internal and regional problems.

Like Alexander mercouris like to say..
There are two rules in international relationships.
One is don't march on moscos and two don't bluf with Beijing.

 

[TK3600]

If the US can't protect Marcos Philippines why even try Japan especially given the Japanese internal and regional problems.

Like Alexander mercouris like to say..
There are two rules in international relationships.
One is don't march on moscos and two don't bluf with Beijing.

Never fight a land war with Russia, never fight a trade war with China.

 

[Temstar]

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It looks like Philippines is looking to Japan now for security, I wonder what the ancestors will think.

Inviting Japan into this dispute is like applying a damage buff to PLA, it doesn't make PLA intimidated it makes them more likely to throwdown since it's now two birds with one stone.

Also as others pointed out, Japan can't even control Diaoyu Islands, what hope do they have in the much further SCS?

 

[Micron]

Inviting Japan into this dispute is like applying a damage buff to PLA, it doesn't make PLA intimidated it makes them more likely to throwdown since it's now two birds with one stone.

Also as others pointed out, Japan can't even control Diaoyu Islands, what hope do they have in the much further SCS?

Let says Japan were to interfere and take side in the SCS, there is a likelihood that China will take the opportunity to reassert her control over Daiyu Island.US will be dilemma.
Filipino has forgotten about the Massacre of Manila back in 1945.
The independence of Ryuku will be reassured and will be fully supported by China at that stage.
The Ryuku already have a resident representative inside China.
Where will US relocated their Airbase in Kadena to, if Ryuka backed by China ordered their eviction then?
Philippines? Chances are slim.
Deterte will be back in power by then.
Bongbong is just a one term President and a shortighted one.
Can't blame him as his family has always got a history of corruption and can be easily bought by the highest bidder.
The era of Deterte represented progress with no conflict but Bongbong, a period of stagnation.
Deterte recognized that these islands may means nothing to Philippines but for China it is of strategic importance.
The strategic islands curently controlled by China represents more of a threat to US than either Japan or Philippines as the objective is to detect every underwater vessels beneath there. The USN can no longer performed their first or second strike beneath the sea there.
Philippines, an ant will be trampled by the elephanta when they fight.
Interesting times.
For Philippines today, they lost the forest because of a tree. What can we say?
He was practically snubbed at ASEAN.

 

[duskseeker]

Let says Japan were to interfere and take side in the SCS, there is a likelihood that China will take the opportunity to reassert her control over Daiyu Island.US will be dilemma.
Filipino has forgotten about the Massacre of Manila back in 1945.
The independence of Ryuku will be reassured and will be fully supported by China at that stage.
The Ryuku already have a resident representative inside China.
Where will US relocated their Airbase in Kadena to, if Ryuka backed by China ordered their eviction then?
Philippines? Chances are slim.
Deterte will be back in power by then.
Bongbong is just a one term President andan with shortightedness.
Can't blame him as his family has always got a history of corruption and can be easily bought by the highest bidder.
The era of Deterte represented progress with no conflict but Bongbong, a period of stagnation.
The strategic islands curently controlled by China represents more of a threat to US than either Japan or Philippines as the objective is to detect every underwater vessels beneath there. The USN can no longer performed their first or second strike beneath the sea there.
Interesting times.
For Philippines today, they lost the forest because of a tree. What can we say?
He was practically snubbed at ASEAN.

doesnt matter who sits next. A colonial country will always look to who is perceived as the strongest.

 

[Micron]

doesnt matter who sits next. A colonial country will always look to who is perceived as the strongest.

So in who in your opinion is perceived as the strongest by Philippines Administration today?
Japan over China?

 

[ansy1968]

So in who in your opinion is perceived as the strongest by Philippines Administration today?
Japan over China?

Neither, Japanese had a guilt factor because of their brutal occupation during WW2, so the Filipino look down on them with contempt, while they associate us Chinese as a second class citizen due to Spanish influence.

But that was the opinion of my generation. Now their is a paragrim shift, like I said being Chinese is beautiful, my children generation are into high tech and they see China as the future.

And I'm confident these trend is being felt globally, the fear is evident among the older generation especially the political elites BUT as China Peaceful Rise, there is an attractive alternative, you don't have to be a hegemon to achieve prosperity.

 

[ansy1968]

Let says Japan were to interfere and take side in the SCS, there is a likelihood that China will take the opportunity to reassert her control over Daiyu Island.US will be dilemma.
Filipino has forgotten about the Massacre of Manila back in 1945.
The independence of Ryuku will be reassured and will be fully supported by China at that stage.
The Ryuku already have a resident representative inside China.
Where will US relocated their Airbase in Kadena to, if Ryuka backed by China ordered their eviction then?
Philippines? Chances are slim.
Deterte will be back in power by then.
Bongbong is just a one term President and a shortighted one.
Can't blame him as his family has always got a history of corruption and can be easily bought by the highest bidder.
The era of Deterte represented progress with no conflict but Bongbong, a period of stagnation.
Deterte recognized that these islands may means nothing to Philippines but for China it is of strategic importance.
The strategic islands curently controlled by China represents more of a threat to US than either Japan or Philippines as the objective is to detect every underwater vessels beneath there. The USN can no longer performed their first or second strike beneath the sea there.
Philippines, an ant will be trampled by the elephanta when they fight.
Interesting times.
For Philippines today, they lost the forest because of a tree. What can we say?
He was practically snubbed at ASEAN.

The one who destroy Manila are the Americans as they wantonly and indiscriminately bombard the city using aircraft and artillery to flushed out the Japanese.

Then we have to borrow huge amount of money with high interest to rebuild the city, leading to signing an onerous and unequal treaty that allow the American to exploit our resources and maintain multiple military bases.

 

[duskseeker]

So in who in your opinion is perceived as the strongest by Philippines Administration today?
Japan over China?

yes they are as brainwashed as they come. They think everything china makes breaks so funny when they made a boat that sinks when hit with water. They were even unaware of the difference of a coast guard and a navy. China's coast guard ships were so big compared to theirs it boggled them.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

@ansy1968 what do you make of this interview conducted by the Philippines Secdef Teodoro and the contentions he asserted that the PH actions and conduct within its own EEZ is in line with international law, norms and customs and that it's China’s double speak and bullying tactics that bellies its actual intent of owning the whole of the SCS and is not at all interested with their so-called "win-win" proposal.

Furthermore, no other countries have publicly condemned or even criticize the Philippines of its conduct as well as its handling in the WPS vs China with the lone exception of China.

It seems the PH is honkering down and is agitated for some sort of conflict with China. It also seems to perceive itself of having iron clad allies that not only will lend diplomatic and economic cover, but perhaps military means as well in the event of an armed eventuality.
What do you make of his interview? Why is the Philippines putting so much emphasis on this issue that should and must be negotiated diplomatically without Western involvement for obvious reasons. This situation is bleeding the PH in treasury it does not have and will not be able to sustain operationally at its current tempo due to costs and logistical issues. What's the upside in all of this drama other than for domestic shoring up of support to the current Marcos regime?

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