China's SCS Strategy Thread

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ansy1968

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Luke Warmwar said:
China is already doing what Vietnam is doing at a larger scale.

Vietnam had the option of getting the US involved. It’s stuck to the Three Nos.

Until a formal code of conduct is signed, the best thing it can do is build up what it already controls to strengthen its bargaining power, the same as what China’s doing.

Sure, China could try to punish Vietnam. But that’ll just confirm the correctness of the Philippine approach of getting bigger backup.
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Wrong just like you said if there is a COC then the situation will be stable along with it the economic benefit from having a good relationship with China especially on oil exploration, now all of those are gone instead we have antagonize our biggest trading partner for NOTHING. We have to increase our defense budget, the money we don't have and are needed to fund our economic development. But who started it, there is a chance Marcos will signed it during his state visit to China but he backtrack, what made him do that? We really needed those Chinese investment cause the promised aid from America and the collective West hadn't materialized

And another thing if the Philippines signed a COC with China then every claimant will do the same. Vietnam is using the arbitration ruling to hide its Intention in the SCS, without it they have no legal right to exploit it.
 
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ansy1968 said:
Wrong just like you said if there is a COC then the situation will be stable along with it the economic benefit from having a good relationship with China especially on oil exploration, now all of those are gone instead we have antagonize our biggest trading partner for NOTHING. We have to increase our defense budget, the money we don't have and are needed to fund our economic development. But who started it, there is a chance Marcos will signed it during his state visit to China but he backtrack, what made him do that? We really needed those Chinese investment cause the promised aid from America and the collective West hadn't materialized

And another thing if the Philippines signed a COC with China then every claimant will do the same. Vietnam is using the arbitration ruling to hide its Intention in the SCS, without it they have no legal right to exploit it.
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Vietnam wasn’t a party to the arbitration. It relies on the same rationale as China does: it wants the area, has some historic ties, and controls some of it.

Until a CoC gets signed, it’s in everyone’s interests to secure and/or improve their positions. If Vietnam is in control of a decent chunk of its claim during the negotiation, the ultimate CoC will be more favourable than if it’s not.

From China’s perspective, it has an adversarial interest to Vietnam, but also, it wants a negotiated solution (CoC).

The alternative to a CoC is conflict. The Philippines seems to be edging towards that route, with the support (or encouragement) of the US, and is attempting to get other parties to join.

That’s why it makes sense for China to oppose further work by the Philippines, while not paying much mind to the work by Vietnam.
 
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Luke Warmwar said:
Vietnam wasn’t a party to the arbitration. It relies on the same rationale as China does: it wants the area, has some historic ties, and controls some of it.

Until a CoC gets signed, it’s in everyone’s interests to secure and/or improve their positions. If Vietnam is in control of a decent chunk of its claim during the negotiation, the ultimate CoC will be more favourable than if it’s not.

From China’s perspective, it has an adversarial interest to Vietnam, but also, it wants a negotiated solution (CoC).

The alternative to a CoC is conflict. The Philippines seems to be edging towards that route, with the support (or encouragement) of the US, and is attempting to get other parties to join.

That’s why it makes sense for China to oppose further work by the Philippines, while not paying much mind to the work by Vietnam.
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Signing of COC nullify the American FON and also the arbitration that's the issue. We lost our leverage against the Chinese when we sign up with the American. And the US will have the final say whether we go to war or not.

Among the claimant the Philippines is the weakest and the most Pro American, so you can see the perspective from Chinese POV, a defeat for the Philippines is a defeat for America.
 
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What kind of garbage construction quality takes ‘significant damage’ from a beefed up garden hose?
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BRP Datu Tamblot is Datu Cabaylo-class multi-mission offshore vessel. This one was a brand new boat. Possibly was finished this year. Built in the Phillipines by Josefa Slipways, Inc., a Filipino shipbuilding company. That class of boats is designed by an Australian ship design firm, Incat Crowther.

It has really garbage construction quality. That thing could even take significant damage from a regular shower treatment.
 
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It should be noted that this incident took place near Scarborough Shoal, not Second Thomas Shoal (where incidents have happened for the past few months). Also notable that some sort of
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was employed for the first time, to the best of my knowledge. Presumably similar to the crowd control types used by riot police.

Chinese Maritime Militia vessels were also reported to have engaged in "dangerous manoeuvres" and deployed a long-range acoustic device that resulted in temporary discomfort and incapacitation to some Filipino crew, the task force said.
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Oof that's a good hosing this time around. These water cannons are not "beefed up garden hoses" by the way, they can shatter bones if the water jet hit a human directly. I think washing off equipment attached to the mast is quite reasonable and not indication of poor quality.
 
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Ongoing confrontation at the Second Thomas Shoal, as the Philippines attempts their monthly resupply. They are accusing CCG of causing "serious engine damage" to one of their vessels after ramming and using water cannons. Footage released shows all boats moving quite slowly, so I'm not sure whether it's supposed to be showing the collision or the immediate aftermath.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1733666323291631801

Situation developing, one of the supply vessels appears to be turning back. The other may or may not continue. Current status is uncertain.
 
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