China's SCS Strategy Thread

[tphuang]

I doubt this was directed by China's government. All of this display is like a monkey show, temporary and ineffective. If China really want to send a serious message to Philippines then it should tell Philippine that it will build/refortifies more islands after every provocative move by Philillpine: and then actually do it.

Vietnam is building Islands again in SCS.

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The Chinese government needs to respond to what Vietnam is doing. Firmly tell Vietnam to stop and if they dont then China should do what Vietnam is doing but in much larger scale.

Why? China has its islands and Vietnam has its islands. Let Vietnam do its own buildup. These islands have no real value of their own to China except for purpose of military base. Once everyone builds military installations in their own island, then it’s just normal practice.

at this point, China already controls scs with existing islands. It doesn’t need more

 

[SDtom]

Why? China has its islands and Vietnam has its islands. Let Vietnam do its own buildup. These islands have no real value of their own to China except for purpose of military base. Once everyone builds military installations in their own island, then it’s just normal practice.

at this point, China already controls scs with existing islands. It doesn’t need more

Why does any other countries are fighting over for patch of water or lands? Because if you don't have it them someone else will and get whatever advantages with it; something like Hans island or Dokdo island.

Do you think China should do nothing if Vietnam continues to build and refortify more and more islands and eventually making ones that are even larger than what China have now? I think not. And what if Vietnam invites India/USA to join its gigantic military islands?

If other are making islands in SCS then China restart and redouble its effort to build bigger military or tourist islands.

 

[tphuang]

Why does any other countries are fighting over for patch of water or lands? Because if you don't have it them someone else will and get whatever advantages with it; something like Hans island or Dokdo island.

Do you think China should do nothing if Vietnam continues to build and refortify more and more islands and eventually making ones that are even larger than what China have now? I think not. And what if Vietnam invites India/USA to join its gigantic military islands?

If other are making islands in SCS then China restart and redouble its effort to build bigger military or tourist islands.

Vietnam is welcome to try, it would give China excuse to build more of its own islands and make existing ones larger. Vietnam normalizing this behavior is good for China. China uses these Islands to strengthen its control scs. Vietnam really isn’t capable of even irritating pla. And no, inviting America would make no difference. America has how many bases near China already? What makes you think a couple of more islands would do?

 

[ansy1968]

Why? China has its islands and Vietnam has its islands. Let Vietnam do its own buildup. These islands have no real value of their own to China except for purpose of military base. Once everyone builds military installations in their own island, then it’s just normal practice.

at this point, China already controls scs with existing islands. It doesn’t need more

Especially if they can sustainably supply those island in case of a conflict. SCS is a Chinese pond no amount of island building can those peripheries country are able to boost their claimed. And in fact deep inside the Chinese welcome it, it save them time to build those island and can easily occupy those island if they wanted to.

 

[ansy1968]

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Still feeling tough Bong Bong? Lets so how you are gonna challenge those 135 Chinese fishing vessels with your pathetic PH Coast Guard.


Screw the SCMP and screw the PH! Its called 牛轭礁, and it belongs to China!


Good. Ignore the criminal PH Coast Guard. Bong Bong Marcos wanted to claim the 牛轭礁 for the PH and play games with China. Now, watch China come and harvest the seafood in force. PH and the West can cry about this being "illegal", but the West and Israel have already established that there are no such things as "international law". Bong Bong thought that he had the West's and ASEAN's backing to push China out of his false West PH Sea. Now the Chinese are coming and bullying the PH out of fishing waters the same way that they have always done before. Its a challenge and a slap in the face to Bong Bong. He thought that he was tougher on China than his predecessor, but China is calling out his bluff.

Bro Marcos isn't running the show his wife is, she and her other oligarchy family are the one holding power. They are hell bent not to allow the return of another Duterte. This SCS encounters are design to embarrass the former administration independent foreign policy, they are saying look Duterte sold us to the Chinese and his policy of appeasement had led us to this problem. Its all politics done with an eye for the 2025 and 2028 election.

 

[Sardaukar20]

I doubt this was directed by China's government. All of this display is like a monkey show, temporary and ineffective. If China really want to send a serious message to Philippines then it should tell Philippine that it will build/refortifies more islands after every provocative move by Philillpine: and then actually do it.

Vietnam is building Islands again in SCS.

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The Chinese government needs to respond to what Vietnam is doing. Firmly tell Vietnam to stop and if they dont then China should do what Vietnam is doing but in much larger scale.

This is not a monkey show by China. Not everything needs to be responded with an island buildup. Not every island or reef is useful for building up. Most of the time, a naval buildup is more practical. Ships can move, islands cannot.

What China is doing is not reacting to Marcos the way he wants. The US and Marcos wants China to send in the PLAN to look tough, get stretched, and waste money. What China is doing is challenging Bong Bong Marcos' new tough policy, by harvesting the most valuable feature of that reef: its seafood resources right in front of his Coast Guard. China is betting that at the end, it still gets its seafood and saved money from just burning fuel for naval maneuvers.

This is also a low-level probe by China. To see how far it could push the PH this time. Also, that new illegal PH observation post can be observed and mocked by the Chinese. Could BBM order ramming or shooting by the PCG? Yes, but then he would be blamed for escalating tensions, and then China can react accordingly as he stronger power. If BBM does nothing but just complain, then China had just called his bluff. As things are playing out now, it's the latter, and it's gonna be business as usual. Good. Nobody gets hurt, China gets it's seafood, and BBM had his bluff called out.

The true monkey show is BBM trying to form a pseudo alliance with Vietnam and Malaysia to confront China. Vietnam has overlapping claims in the SCS, while Malaysia and the PH have a bitter dispute over Sabah. That was truly a clown show.

Vietnam for me is another topic of discussion. It's relations with China is not the same as the PH, so China is engaging with it differently. If Vietnam builds up it's islands, it'll not go unanswered. And there will be a lag before China usually does something. Just like what China is doing now with PH. The PH did a bunch of things first, and it took awhile before China started doing something nasty.

 

[Sardaukar20]

Bro Marcos isn't running the show his wife is, she and her other oligarchy family are the one holding power. They are hell bent not to allow the return of another Duterte. This SCS encounters are design to embarrass the former administration independent foreign policy, they are saying look Duterte sold us to the Chinese and his policy of appeasement had led us to this problem. Its all politics done with an eye for the 2025 and 2028 election.

Yet it appears to be backfiring on Marcos. The new "tough" Marcos is reacting not much differently from Duterte before. The lack of an aggressive reaction is the same as before. The only difference is that there is more complaining this time.

 

[ansy1968]

Yet it appears to be backfiring on Marcos. The new "tough" Marcos is reacting not much differently from Duterte before. The lack of an aggressive reaction is the same as before. The only difference is that there is more complaining this time.

And there is NO SYMPATHY among the public, bro I had just return from my trip from Harbin (that place is too dammed cold for my comfort, colder than Iceland and the Lapland and its still early December) majority in our group are Filipinos (middle class and the nouveau rich) and they really enjoyed their experience in China, Since its very cold at night we usually gather around and have a cup of 3 in one coffee, tea and Chinese milk tea and talk politics. The Filipinos are usually politically inclined and we even talk about the current virus spreading in China as Western propaganda design to embarrass the Chinese, they are are known pathogen not a new virus. Marcos as of now are riding the wave of Duterte reform, Duterte had done all the hard work and heavy lifting, all he have to do is follow his predecessor policy to improve it further, instead he play politics. In one and a half years of his administration we regressed a lot, what he have to show for his effort, NOTHING, the only way for him to distract the public is to used the China threat, its very funny and ironic THAT both Marcos and Benigno Aquino Jr used the same policy...lol It only shows that there is A Uni-party , a coalition of oligarch and Duterte victory is an aberration which they want to forget and never materialized again.

 

[ansy1968]

Calling Gilbert Teodoro Where's your bravado...lol you been silence since last week and now the reality dawn (this admission of AFP Chief highlighted the enormity of the problem, it is not only in Ayungin Shoal but on multiple front), will you take responsibility for your incompetence. What's the standard for good governance, usually it emanate from the top, That's the thing with politics here there is NO OFFICIAL POLICY, the President is absent and his subordinate act independently the result is a disaster, there is no single CHAIN OF COMMAND and we are only on his 2nd year of his 6th year term. When he finished his term or may not ( there is possibility of a coup) we may see a different Philippine, way down the pecking order, tied with Cambodia in ASEAN.

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[Luke Warmwar]

Vietnam is building Islands again in SCS.

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The Chinese government needs to respond to what Vietnam is doing. Firmly tell Vietnam to stop and if they dont then China should do what Vietnam is doing but in much larger scale.

China is already doing what Vietnam is doing at a larger scale.

Vietnam had the option of getting the US involved. It’s stuck to the Three Nos.

Until a formal code of conduct is signed, the best thing it can do is build up what it already controls to strengthen its bargaining power, the same as what China’s doing.

Sure, China could try to punish Vietnam. But that’ll just confirm the correctness of the Philippine approach of getting bigger backup.