With US strong support to Israel and their discrimination against Muslim, can the American influence the Indonesian Presidential election? I think not. I don't want to include religion in the conversation BUT Islam is a vanguard against western hegemony especially of Judeo Christian faith.
China's SCS Strategy Thread
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Well, you don't know about Indonesia. Indonesian Muslim may hate Israel, but they also hate Communist. And because China is communist, now please connect the dot yourself. Plus, Indonesia had a President who ruled for 32 years who worship United States, before he was step down because of massive anti this president demonstration in 1998.
Right now, China has a little bit positive view in Indonesia, because they side with Palestine. And Jokowi, the present president is banning raw Nickel export, that hampers Indonesia relation with the west. Although his policy get a lot of support domestically. But you know what, European and American ambassadors started to visit the opposition parties, and seems eager to support the president candidate from those party. If that president win the election, he will start to export raw Nickel to the west again, and become the enemy of China, like today Philippine.
The problem is, Jokowi did something taboo by putting his son to become the Vice President candidate, and a lot of people hate his move, because of that. So if China does not careful when treat Indonesia political situation right now, they will lost Indonesia, just like they lost Philippine and Argentine today.
Philippine is a easy target because majority are Catholics, they identify themselves with the Collective West. Like I said religion will played a role and Being a Muslim country Indonesia will be a hard place to crack for the American.
And one more thing there is a huge paradigm shift in the Asia region, the global south had tasted power and they like the taste . They have a platform to express their view which is BRICS, a voice they didn't have before and Indonesia will be joining as the new member at next BRICS meeting in Russia.
I honestly don't think there's anything China can actually do in the end -- it's rather like raising children; you do your best but it's just not up to you (raise your hand if you've played hookey from weekend Chinese School that your poor working-class parents paid in vain for LOL).
I want to impress on everyone that no one actually likes China (for many reasons, such as jealousy, brainwashing, political advantage, and so forth), neither elites nor man-on-the-street (opinion polls are just snapshots; you can always get someone to smile for the camera)...there's just much too much self-congratulations, almost, almost near the level of the Westoids about themselves, that China's leading the Global South or something...no, China's just a convenient vehicle at the moment though sure, maybe by 2050 sentiments will be different (I personally expect them to get even worse, actually, with climate collapse [maybe calls for China to take in climate refugees, which then get spun into Chinese racism -- you see where that can go]) but don't count on it.
Chairman Xi definitely is doing the right thing being calm and business-like, curbing his enthusiasm, as it were. Impressive gains and great trajectory but nowhere near close still.
People respect/fear strengh. Or better yet, demonstration of strength.
Until China obliterates a random country, the public and the elite won't respect/fear it. If you think that's juvenile, its because it is. Human brain is monkey brain after all
Respect and fear of US comes out of its demonstration of power in WW2, Cold War, Gulf Wars (big PR gain for them).
China can have the biggest and meanest military but if there is no visible proof of it actually obliterating a country, the public and the elites are going to keep ignoring it. The only ones who will pay attention to the PLA's actual capabilities is each country's military.
China's August high profile military exercises on Taiwan, and actually using live munitions, successfully raised its profile and showed some teeth. You can hide and hide, but once in a while you got to bear some fangs
As for Indonesia, I am not worried about them. They aren't Philippines. One is a US territory, the other is not
Don't bank on religious opposition. Islamic countries today have so many corrupt leaders that they'll throw away their religious ideals any day for a few $$ from USA. Take the example of Egypt - it wouldn't even open borders with Gaza to allow foreign aid, while Jordan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, UAE and Oman happily provide resources to aid the Judeo-Christian oppression around the world. There are reports of even Pakistan providing facilities to USA in aiding Israel's current war.
Take Erdogan for example. He talks against the actions by the Israeli government, but he does basically nothing. 40% of Israeli oil comes from Azerbaijan and is loaded in Turkish ports onto ships to go to Israel. Yet none of the Muslim nations even tried to embargo oil sales to Israel. The Turks included.
Because there is NO ALTERNATIVE to make money, NOW there is and a big one comparable to the Collective West and IF we include all the global south then its massive. They had woken up and this Ukraine War shook them to the core, imagine they just confiscate something they don't own, the memory of Christian crusade come to mind and that is one big reason why the Muslim world will never trust the American because they are an extension of Judeo Christian faith.
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Erdogan want to form an Islamic caliphate reviving the old Ottoman empire BUT the problem is there are 4 powerful COUNTRIES (Saudi Arabia, Iran ,the Russian and the US trough Israel) in the region, so he need to play all side. This time he overreach so instead he need to kowtow to the great powers to save him from his owned misadventure.
And one more thing, Erdogan had a dilemma due to the emergence of BRICS, will he join? will the other BRICS country allowed it? will he allowed himself to play second fiddle to Iran and Russia? with his large ego will he have a voice to put his plan to action? Since Joining the EU is a pipe dream where were he go from here.
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Hey me personally I would have loved nuking Vilnius and Prague in addition to Brussels, London, Tallahassee, New York, L.A., D.C., Tokyo, Seoul, Manilla, and maybe even Taibei...but no, actually, they won't actually fear China -- there's a psychological phenomenon called "sublimation" whereby one feeling is transformed into another; and any fear will pretty quickly turn into hate (and never underestimate the healing power of hatred [as some of us may well know!])...so actually counterproductive and why Xi Jinping seems like a real all-around leader.
No it's more like Apple, mostly fancy marketing...basically, it was Hollywood. Never underestimate the power of a good mind-virus!
Did you know that literally one man is responsible for basically all the female smokers??? It's true! The guy was in advertising and so good he later went into the C.I.A. and was honored at the end of his career by the Yale Club for lifetime achievement!! [Article in "The Atlantic" years ago.]
And again, no one actually likes China -- Malays certainly are not known for their love of Chinese people.
Just sayin'...sh!t can turn "like that"...like October Seventh.