China's SCS Strategy Thread

gelgoog

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The F-16 would not be competitive against the J-20. It is way more likely that Vietnam will end up buying the Su-57 at some point.
While Vietnam has been diversifying and purchasing more non-Russian weapons as of late, buying the F-16 is pointless for them.

If the US wants to sell Vietnam fighter aircraft, they should try selling them the F-35. But good luck with convincing the US MIC to sell the F-35 to a communist country with relations with Russia.
 

coolgod

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Please use your knowledge and common sense.

Firstly, in the Philippino comedy sketch, they had two guys in a tiny rowboat with a motor. Just how much range do you think such a tiny craft can have? From where would they have been able to set off to even reach the floating barrier with that range?

Secondly, the tiny anchor and rope they cut would not have kept anything remotely as large as the floating barrier in place.

It looks like a couple of guys went a few hundred metres out from shore, dropped an anchor and length of rope that they brought with them, and then filmed themselves cutting the rope. There were zero recognisable features in the footage to show where it was shot, no shots or helpless Chinese coast guards looking on clutching pearls, and not even a DJI aero shot of the defeated barrier drifting off into the sunset. If this was real, you think the Philippines would not have made sure they got all that on camera to brag about?

This is just a fictional low budget, low effort fake that could have been shot at almost any beach in the Philippines, and it’s easily identifiable as such.

When someone makes a big claim, the burden of proof is on them to prove it. This film doesn’t prove anything other than two guys cut the rope attached to an anchor and recovered it.
But you missed a crucial part of their propaganda which makes their claim more credible. The rope they cut was attached to a floating barrier that looks exactly like the barrier the Chinese put up. It is possible they manage to get a similar floating barrier to that of the Chinese, but that is quite difficult and you can't deny the similarity makes their claim much stronger.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
But you missed a crucial part of their propaganda which makes their claim more credible. The rope they cut was attached to a floating barrier that looks exactly like the barrier the Chinese put up. It is possible they manage to get a similar floating barrier to that of the Chinese, but that is quite difficult and you can't deny the similarity makes their claim much stronger.
Please point to what you think is the floating barrier in their footage.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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I read China FM's statement and CCG's statement, but it's not very convincing. As a neutral observer when you see a video of the phillippines coast guard cutting the end of a floating barrier which looks exactly like the one that China deployed, the Filipino story seems more convincing.


The only way I don't see China losing in this incident is if China can show, or if observers can reasonably infer that the phillippines setup up their own barrier in an uncontested water and cut their own rope. Anything less would be a Lose in my book.
The Philippines has been emboldened with the recent public and maybe even private assurances from their benefactor (U.S.) and treaty ally along with the recently announced 5 U.S. military bases. The possible addition of more military installations to challenge, provoke, and goad China to react in such a lopsided violent manner in order to garner INTERNATIONAL OUTCRY AND ULTIMATELY, SUPPORT for the Philippines which would validate the U.S. invented narrative of CHINA'S BULLYING AND EXPANSIONIST AMBITIONS IN Its periphery, then the world.

The 2012 Scarborough Shoal example of China’s resolve should have already taught you a valuable lesson as well as the strategic calculus that animates the leaders in Beijing. The more inference that Beijing is just being pushed around by a two bit country is just utter bullocks and hubristic nonsense coming from you.

What would you have the country do? Commit a violent confrontation with all the INTERNATIONAL PROPAGANDA OUTLETS (on their side always ever on the ready to twist the most innocuous and innocent actions of China as evil, genocidal etc.) that would possibly place China in a tight spot thereby severely damaging its own credibility in the eyes of the global south in terms of how China handles disputes. I am not sure if you know or care to know that China had just recently published a 25 page white paper espousing the message of a world with shared future. To quote some of the passages of the paper:

"It is increasingly obvious that the obsession with superior strength, and the zero-sum mentality are in conflict with the needs of our times, the white paper said, pointing out that the new era calls for new ideas.

To build a global community of shared future is to pursue openness, inclusiveness, mutual benefit, equity and justice, the white paper said. The goal is not to replace one system or civilization with another. Instead, it is about countries with different social systems, ideologies, histories, shared rights, and shared responsibilities in global affairs."

The White paper may sound high minded b.s. to many hyper-nationalists like you, but not to many reasonable people in China and around the world, including the Philippines.

The SCS situation with the Philippines is a test of will and patience not to mention of China’s ability to resolve disputes that seeks to avoid the typical recipes that's been tried and tested many times over by the west. If China fails on this regard, by aping it's strategic enemy, the U.S. in both style and substance, China may as well drop its pretenses of becoming a different super power since she'll be the same as the old master with different strokes.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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The Philippines has been emboldened with the recent public and maybe even private assurances from their benefactor (U.S.) and treaty ally along with the recently announced 5 U.S. military bases. The possible addition of more military installations to challenge, provoke, and goad China to react in such a lopsided violent manner in order to garner INTERNATIONAL OUTCRY AND ULTIMATELY, SUPPORT for the Philippines which would validate the U.S. invented narrative of CHINA'S BULLYING AND EXPANSIONIST AMBITIONS IN Its periphery, then the world.

The 2012 Scarborough Shoal example of China’s resolve should have already taught you a valuable lesson as well as the strategic calculus that animates the leaders in Beijing. The more inference that Beijing is just being pushed around by a two bit country is just utter bullocks and hubristic nonsense coming from you.

What would you have the country do? Commit a violent confrontation with all the INTERNATIONAL PROPAGANDA OUTLETS (on their side always ever on the ready to twist the most innocuous and innocent actions of China as evil, genocidal etc.) that would possibly place China in a tight spot thereby severely damaging its own credibility in the eyes of the global south in terms of how China handles disputes. I am not sure if you know or care to know that China had just recently published a 25 page white paper espousing the message of a world with shared future. To quote some of the passages of the paper:

"It is increasingly obvious that the obsession with superior strength, and the zero-sum mentality are in conflict with the needs of our times, the white paper said, pointing out that the new era calls for new ideas.

To build a global community of shared future is to pursue openness, inclusiveness, mutual benefit, equity and justice, the white paper said. The goal is not to replace one system or civilization with another. Instead, it is about countries with different social systems, ideologies, histories, shared rights, and shared responsibilities in global affairs."

The White paper may sound high minded b.s. to many hyper-nationalists like you, but not to many reasonable people in China and around the world, including the Philippines.

The SCS situation with the Philippines is a test of will and patience not to mention of China’s ability to resolve disputes that seeks to avoid the typical recipes that's been tried and tested many times over by the west. If China fails on this regard, by aping it's strategic enemy, the U.S. in both style and substance, China may as well drop its pretenses of becoming a different super power since she'll be the same as the old master with different strokes.
I agree somewhat. If it's "new boss, same as old boss" people will question "then why new boss? Old boss not too bad, only whips me a little."

Have to be "new boss, better than old boss."

But, it depends on who it is and patience has limits. So once China has demonstrated it has taken all reasonable measures to negotiate, some punishment to put the aggressors in their place will be necessary.
 

ZeEa5KPul

Colonel
Registered Member
I agree somewhat. If it's "new boss, same as old boss" people will question "then why new boss? Old boss not too bad, only whips me a little."

Have to be "new boss, better than old boss."

But, it depends on who it is and patience has limits. So once China has demonstrated it has taken all reasonable measures to negotiate, some punishment to put the aggressors in their place will be necessary.
This entire thread has been hijacked by Filipino media stunts and the people triggered by it.

Coast guard antics aren't worth mentioning as an issue for a simple reason - it's just another manifestation of the fundamental problem of America's presence in the western Pacific. Once China solves the fundamental problem, everything else will follow.
 

siegecrossbow

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The first 15 seconds of their footage shows the floating barrier.


This videos shows the floating barrier too

Compare with floating barrier photos from the Chinese.
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Same color floating balls, same color net, same color white metal chains.

The barrier is suspended between two ships. Did they move those too?

It's funny how people treat the Indian Galwan claims with natural suspicion but when the Philippines make a video, it is automatically legit.
 
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