China's SCS Strategy Thread

ansy1968

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Opposition groups are capitalizing on this issue to stroke more anti China sentiments in the country, just recently opposition forces have formed a united front with the aim of toppling Duterte's preferred successor in upcoming elections next year.


Its important to note that the new group has been founded by a trio who are among the country's top Sinophobic personalities. Two of them attempted to file cases against Chinese president Xi Jinping at the ICC back in 2019.

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If the opposition succeeds in seizing power next year, PH and China relations will be back to zero as these personalities are prepared to do everything just to please the desires of their American handlers. China cant afford to sit back and watch Americans install hostile governments in its vicinity just like what America did to Ukraine and Georgia to antagonize Russia.
@PhSt winning, zero chance!!!! look at the personality involved , a former disgrace military coup leader turn senator, a bias former Supreme Court Justice , a VP who is not popular and former officials of the discredit Aquino administration. It received no support among the populace who is more concern about covid. Its a trial balloon for 2022 Presidential election and they want to stay relevant with oligarch newspaper and media giving them the platform.
 

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@PhSt winning, zero chance!!!! look at the personality involved , a former disgrace military coup leader turn senator, a bias former Supreme Court Justice , a VP who is not popular and former officials of the discredit Aquino administration. It received no support among the populace who is more concern about covid. Its a trial balloon for 2022 Presidential election and they want to stay relevant with oligarch newspaper and media giving them the platform.
Good thing we have someone who knows the local politics.

IMO, if China really wants friendly nations then its time to pay up. China should invest more in the country, form more JV, maybe even increase the salaries so that the Filipino people will know that China means more $$$.

The issue from what I see, is that China is ultra competitive and thus doesn't meaningfully change the local people lives there.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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Good thing we have someone who knows the local politics.

IMO, if China really wants friendly nations then its time to pay up. China should invest more in the country, form more JV, maybe even increase the salaries so that the Filipino people will know that China means more $$$.

The issue from what I see, is that China is ultra competitive and thus doesn't meaningfully change the local people lives there.
It’s not that simple. One can dump money into a certain place, but it is up to the people there to do the work. For example, Ethiopia and Nigeria (especially the former) are extremely successful when working with China, but other African states like Zambia and Uganda aren’t. For example, for Ethiopia, they have never been colonized (though conquered for a short time like France), so they kept their pride and culture intact. However a country like the Philippines whose history started from being a colony for more than several centuries under Spain and the US have a totally different mindset and culture. I’m not denigrating everyone there since that is just narrow minded. However in the grand scheme of things, culture plays a big role in determining success and their actions. In this case, yes the Chinese should help Duterte as much as they can. However the populace’s slavish mentality can only be broken if their true master, the US, has been defeated. Then your solution will start to take effect to a certain degree.
 
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manqiangrexue

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It’s not that simple. One can dump money into a certain place, but it is up to the people there to do the work. For example, Ethiopia and Nigeria (especially the former) are extremely successful when working with China, but other African states like Zambia and Uganda aren’t. For example, for Ethiopia, they have never been colonized (though conquered for a short time like France), so they kept their pride. Plus they have a long history. However a country like the Philippines whose history started from being a colony for more than several centuries under Spain and the US have a totally different mindset and culture. I’m not denigrating everyone since that is just narrow minded. However in the grand scheme of things, culture plays a big role in determining success.
Absolutely agree. "Friendly relations" that you pay for are nothing but a continuous drain on funds with the other side holding the relationship as hostage. The only sustainable and beneficial friendly relations are ones in which the other side is drawn to your power over the power of your rivals. Investments are built on potential and foundation for success; if they are not sufficiently there (and I'm not saying that they aren't in the Philippines but it has to be proven fairly), then investment is just a euphemism for charity, which is just a fancy way of saying you'll pay for friendly relations.
 

ansy1968

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Good thing we have someone who knows the local politics.

IMO, if China really wants friendly nations then its time to pay up. China should invest more in the country, form more JV, maybe even increase the salaries so that the Filipino people will know that China means more $$$.

The issue from what I see, is that China is ultra competitive and thus doesn't meaningfully change the local people lives there.
@voyager1 This coming election I foresee the demise of the Liberal Party (the political party of the Aquino family and the oligarchs). If you read my previous post, the American will be intervening in this coming Presidential election and the opposition will want some of the money Washington will provide. The oligarch is cash strapped due to the pandemic, they will spend but in small amount and to whom? they don't have any viable candidates, look at their line up for the President , VP and Senatorial candidate, they are mostly disgrace former Aquino official and TRAPO (traditional politician) and their chances of winning is nil, their political platform is a rehash of the past which the Filipino voters rejected. And I think the US will fund multiple candidates to ensure their bets win either thru a slim vote victory or cheating with the help of Smartmatic, the vote counting provider.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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@PhSt winning, zero chance!!!! look at the personality involved , a former disgrace military coup leader turn senator, a bias former Supreme Court Justice , a VP who is not popular and former officials of the discredit Aquino administration. It received no support among the populace who is more concern about covid. Its a trial balloon for 2022 Presidential election and they want to stay relevant with oligarch newspaper and media giving them the platform.
I am frankly at a loss why these mongrels are so enamored with their American benefactors and therefore I can only conclude that it's not only about the money but also they have drank the American Kool aid that their mind have become rotten and infected with hubris and stupidity.
 

ansy1968

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Absolutely agree. "Friendly relations" that you pay for are nothing but a continuous drain on funds with the other side holding the relationship as hostage. The only sustainable and beneficial friendly relations are ones in which the other side is drawn to your power over the power of your rivals. Investments are built on potential and foundation for success; if they are not sufficiently there (and I'm not saying that they aren't in the Philippines but it has to be proven fairly), then investment is just a euphemism for charity, which is just a fancy way of saying you'll pay for friendly relations.
@manqiangrexue the only way to reduce the American influence is to integrate with the Chinese economy, RCEP is the first step and letting Filipino OFW work in China is another, interaction promote understanding. We had a love hate relationship with the US, with Duterte we had a voice , with China we have an alternative.
 
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ansy1968

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I am frankly at a loss why these mongrels are so enamored with their American benefactors and therefore I can only conclude that it's not only about the money but also they have drank the American Kool aid that their mind have become rotten and infected with hubris and stupidity.
@Bellum_Romanum they had form a secret pact with the US when they dispose Marcos and sanctify/glorify the EDSA REVOLUTION as they plunder the state assets. These Oligarch control the narratives, they owned most of the news publication and media. Their greed cause the local to rise up and elect Duterte.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Bingo!! The majority of Filipino mindset is pretty much under the spell of America and American prestige especially with it's religious like admiration to the former Military Governor General of the Philippine forces, the primadonna generalisimo, Gen. Douglas McArthur with his often praised and repeated WWII speech of "I shall return."

The Philippines elite and average Filipinos alike don't really take the disparity of power between China and the Philippines which reflects in their language and attitude when discussing China. There's a level of dismissiveness not to mention misplaced arrogance when talking about anything China related because most of them feel America will be there to rescue their proverbial behinds when the going gets tough and that everything China has is inferior to anything and everything the U.S. have.

For most Filipinos if you're ability to read and speak English isn't at the same level of proficiency like the 5 eyes alliance nations then you're not worth your salt (sophistication) with the exception of their previous WWII nemesis, Imperial Japan and their other east Asian idol the South Korean Kpopsters lol..at least these are my observations based off on personal visits and from friends and friendships cultivated with Filipinos in the Philippines and elsewhere.
It’s not that simple. One can dump money into a certain place, but it is up to the people there to do the work. For example, Ethiopia and Nigeria (especially the former) are extremely successful when working with China, but other African states like Zambia and Uganda aren’t. For example, for Ethiopia, they have never been colonized (though conquered for a short time like France), so they kept their pride and culture intact. However a country like the Philippines whose history started from being a colony for more than several centuries under Spain and the US have a totally different mindset and culture. I’m not denigrating everyone there since that is just narrow minded. However in the grand scheme of things, culture plays a big role in determining success and their actions. In this case, yes the Chinese should help Duterte as much as they can. However the populace’s slavish mentality can only be broken if their true master, the US, has been defeated. Then your solution will start to take effect to a certain degree.
 

voyager1

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@Bellum_Romanum they had form a secret pact with the US when they dispose Marcos and sanctify/glorify the EDSA REVOLUTION as they plunder the state assets. These Oligarch control the narratives, they owned most of the news publication and media. Their greed cause the local to rise up and elect Duterte.
Duterte should find a way to clean up the media
However from what I know this is Hist last term on office, do you know who might be most likely person to become president after him?
I dont think any non-US slave can become president as we call all see that the media and the CIA is getting ready with their media hitjobs.
 
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