China's SCS Strategy Thread

[plawolf]

When I said “traded” I didn’t say “Give to America”. I think something like this could happen...

China invades Taiwan, then gives up its 9-dash line claim and de-militarize the SCS islands and turns them into tourist resorts.

Are you in a habit to trade for things you already got? If China has already invaded Taiwan, just what would the US have to trade for?

Also, the SCS islands started off as demilitarised outposts. Military deployments only occurred due to American gunboat diplomacy sabre rattling.

 

[Andy1974]

Are you in a habit to trade for things you already got? If China has already invaded Taiwan, just what would the US have to trade for?

Also, the SCS islands started off as demilitarised outposts. Military deployments only occurred due to American gunboat diplomacy sabre rattling.

Eh, yes...

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[plawolf]

Eh, yes...

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And just look what a giant strategic blunder that was. China is not in a habit to repeat past mistakes.

Besides, that was a gift, not a trade.

 

[Andy1974]

Why do you always have to attack people? You take up a lot of oxygen!

What I described is perfecty reasonable, you have misunderstood it by assuming various things. I never once mentioned America.

Look, if China takes Taiwan, then gives up its ridiculous 9-dash line claim then it can resolve its issues with SCS states, and that’s all it needs to do.

Please let’s move on.

 

[FangYuan]

Why do you always have to attack people? You take up a lot of oxygen!

What I described is perfecty reasonable, you have misunderstood it by assuming various things. I never once mentioned America.

Look, if China takes Taiwan, then gives up its ridiculous 9-dash line claim then it can resolve its issues with SCS states, and that’s all it needs to do.

Please let’s move on.

If China accepts to negotiate, the West will assume China is cowardly, and they will continue to provoke China more. The ultimate goal of the West is to completely destroy China.


Dead fish or broken net

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

Why do you always have to attack people? You take up a lot of oxygen!

What I described is perfecty reasonable, you have misunderstood it by assuming various things. I never once mentioned America.

Look, if China takes Taiwan, then gives up its ridiculous 9-dash line claim then it can resolve its issues with SCS states, and that’s all it needs to do.

Please let’s move on.

What you proposed and asserting about China's "ridiculous 9- dash line claim" are dead on arrival period. Did you even read the article you linked from the Diplomat? If so, then I don't know how you could missed the historical significance and origin of how the 9 dash line came to be.

I just want to emphasize this point one more time, no self respecting Chinese in China would ever use one of their own lands as a bargaining chip to lose or gain one of their lands that was China's to begin with. You obviously don't see the importance of these islets/islands but to China and Chinese people they are and that's what matter the most.

 

[Andy1974]

If China accepts to negotiate, the West will assume China is cowardly, and they will continue to provoke China more. The ultimate goal of the West is to completely destroy China.


Dead fish or broken net

China can do both of these things unilaterally.
China is negotiating with ASEAN on the SCS code of conduct, these are the only parties it needs to deal with, it can ignore America.

What you proposed and asserting about China's "ridiculous 9- dash line claim" are dead on arrival period. Did you even read the article you linked from the Diplomat? If so, then I don't know how you could missed the historical significance and origin of how the 9 dash line came to be.

I just want to emphasize this point one more time, no self respecting Chinese in China would ever use one of their own lands as a bargaining chip to lose or gain one of their lands that was China's to begin with. You obviously don't see the importance of these islets/islands but to China and Chinese people they are and that's what matter the most.

Giving up the 9-dash line is not the same as giving up islands or islets.

The ultimate goal is to have a peaceful and stable situation in the SCS, the UNCLOS already ruled about what that might look like.

So what is the end game? I believe it is an SCS which has borders compatible with the UNCLOS rules and a Taiwan that is part of China. China can make that happen all on it’s own, but it would of course include ASEAN.

 

[FangYuan]

The United States inherited all British foreign policy.Unite with other countries on the European continent and attack the most powerful country on the European continent.He will attack whoever is the second most powerful country.When Germany became strong, he allied himself with France and other countries to fight Germany.When France was strong, he allied himself with other countries to make an alliance against France.
It's the same strategy in the United States, from the Soviet Union and Japan all the way to China.

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The problem is not from the nine-dash line, Taiwan or the South China Sea. Even if China really gives up all its claims, the US and the West will not stop, they want to destroy China completely. This is their foreign policy.

Every negotiation and agreement is meaningless.

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[Sardaukar20]

Eh, yes...

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The Diplomat. I thought they're showing another side of China. A more generous China. But as usual, it was never to praise China, but to mock it.

When China makes claims on the SCS. China is the big bad bully. Need USA to save the little guys.

When China gifts an island to Vietnam. China is stupid. Vietnam took alot of maritime territories from China. Vietnam was smart to take advantage. Chinese people not happy.

But I guess this article still brings up an important point. China's generosity to Vietnam was not reciprocated. China gifted Vietnam an island. But Vietnam wanted more, so much more. So much so that Vietnam would befriend America against China. Conviniently forgetting American atrocities and racism. That is why China was naive to trust Vietnam too much.

Lesson learnt for China after that. No more SCS territories are up for negotiation. After that blunder. Vietnam have been taught fatal lessons when it tries to militarily grab other Chinese islands during, and after the Vietnam War.

 

[plawolf]

Why do you always have to attack people? You take up a lot of oxygen!

What I described is perfecty reasonable, you have misunderstood it by assuming various things. I never once mentioned America.

Look, if China takes Taiwan, then gives up its ridiculous 9-dash line claim then it can resolve its issues with SCS states, and that’s all it needs to do.

Please let’s move on.

If you can’t distinguish between someone calling out your stupid suggestions with people calling you stupid, that’s your problem not anyone else’s. And your suggestion is stupid. Plain and simple.

China can do both of these things unilaterally.
China is negotiating with ASEAN on the SCS code of conduct, these are the only parties it needs to deal with, it can ignore America.


Giving up the 9-dash line is not the same as giving up islands or islets.

The ultimate goal is to have a peaceful and stable situation in the SCS, the UNCLOS already ruled about what that might look like.

So what is the end game? I believe it is an SCS which has borders compatible with the UNCLOS rules and a Taiwan that is part of China. China can make that happen all on it’s own, but it would of course include ASEAN.

China’s 9 dash line pre-dates UNCLOS by decades, and China specifically invoked grandfathering provisions within UNCLOS itself upon ratification to make its 9-dash line outside the consideration of UNCLOS. Those are indispensable historical and legal facts.

So far all you seem to want is for China to unilaterally give colossal concessions without anything in return.

Just why would China ever consider giving up its 9 dash line? It’s negations with ASEAN is on code of conduct and has precisely nothing to do with sovereignty.

China has already achieved its end game in the SCS. It offered a negotiated settlement back during Obama’s days, but the other claimants decided to spit on that deal and instead went with Hillary’s offer to go on a land grabbing frenzy. They were moronic enough to think they can get a better deal through application of force. Don’t come moaning about ‘fairness’ when China pushed back and they finally saw just how hilariously they are outclassed.