solarz
Brigadier
What foolishness. 前门拒虎 后门进狼。
China's SCS Strategy Thread
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What foolishness. 前门拒虎 后门进狼。
selective memory? forgetting your ancestral teaching of fighting poison with poison?
Another poster proves my point.
This is not the USA, this is the independent will of regional nationstates.
Indonesia is not going to accept China's behaviour.
Vietnam won't.
Brunei won't.
Malaysia won't.
Singapore won't.
Philippines won't.
Taiwan won't.
Japan won't.
Korea won't.
China is not going to be able to continue to take islands and land from all regional players without consequences.
Just because these are all nations smaller than
China, that does not mean that they will just let China rule them and take what they want in exchange for money.
You take the Chinese view. Throw money at people and they won't complain about anything else. This is Chinese domestic policy projected regionally and it will fail.
Most people desire freedom over money and a harmonious society.
The Chinese will learn that everyone is not going to accept their feudal exploitation. Then the Chinese will arrogantly react "Why are they so ungrateful? We only wish to help them."
(and control and rule them)
Eventually even Cambodia and Lao will rebel against Chinese hegemony.
vesicles
Colonel
Com'on! That's never going to happen. It's at best a crazy attempt to paint China as a rogue. China has invested so much into globalization. Any association with anything even remotely similar to ISIS will damage China more than helping.
Keep in mind that China is not an isolated state, such as NK, that is desperate for attention. And China is also not helpless enough to try the craziest things just to warn people not to touch them.
"Fighting poison with poison" is the last resort when all other options are gone. China is now so far out on the other end of the spectrum. China now has so many different methods, political, economic, military, to take care things, none of which involves the use of poison on themselves.
solarz
Brigadier
Yeah, you're right, that's why ASEAN keeps condemning China's actions in the SCS.
Oh wait...
@Blackstone, while you read western media stories, I read both sides. I guess you wouldn't know bin Laden has been praised as hero in Chinese forum , he's responsible for the crucial 10 years development time for China else ,US containment game would started alot sooner. China main rise is from 2000 to 2010. Yes, bin Laden has been hailed as hero by some in Chinese forum.
Do you know that? Isis and China are not mortal enemies! Isis and the west are mortal enemies.
Do you know that? Isis and China are not mortal enemies! Isis and the west are mortal enemies.
vesicles
Colonel
That's a lot of empty rhetoric...
Let me remind you that, not too long ago, the ASEAN nations couldn't even agree on a statement issued about the SCS. In fact, the SCS nations involved have never been able to agree on how to deal with the SCS issue.
Also, Taiwan just aligned itself with China when they flat out rejected the Hague ruling.
So Apparently, people do accept China's view on things...
vesicles
Colonel
Just imagine what would happen if China openly supported Bin Laden during those "crucial 10 years". That would undoubtedly put China in the crosshair of the US. And it would be a China vs. US conflict, not a US vs. Bin Laden...
China benefited from bin Laden exactly because China stayed out of it. It stayed out of the entire conflict. That was why China could focus on economic development while the US focused squarely on Bin Laden. China succeeded because it stayed away from the fire, not jumping into it.
And Bin Laden didn't directly help China. He started a fire somewhere else, which drew attention of everyone and allowed China to develop in peace.
Similarly, aligning yourself with ISIS would be the opposite of what China did "during those crucial 10 years". Bad idea.
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solarz
Brigadier
That's what Cixi tried to do with the Boxer Rebellion and Western Powers. How did that work out?
You seem to be stuck in the mentality that China is weak and besieged. You need to move into the 21st century.
If you really believe this, then you are beyond hope. The enemy of an enemy is not a friend, and you've got your history wrong.
First of all, the US got quagmired in Iraq, not Afghanistan, so bin Laden was not responsible for those 10 years, Bush was.
Second, even if bin Laden was responsible for it, it is extremely idiotic to hail bin Laden as a hero. The only reason al-Qaeda didn't attack China is because the US is a bigger target. Islamists hate Chinese atheism as much as they hate American democracy. You're acting like a rabbit that thinks a viper would be your friend just because it bit the wolf that was stalking you. You think this way because you think China is weak and at the mercy of the world. You feel the need to cheer a viper because you don't believe you can fend off the wolf by yourself.
Nobody "gave" those 10 years to China. China saw an opportunity and seized it. That's how individuals and nations succeed, by seizing the opportunity when it presents itself.
Don't shoot the messenger, that's what I am reading from Chinese forum.
OK, now overall, China has good relationship with most muslims , much better than west with muslims. Except eastern Turks in Xinjiang.