China's SCS Strategy Thread

Yvrch

Junior Member
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Like it or not, the PCA "old farts" you mentioned enjoy massive support in western media, and can't be dismissed so easily. Pursuing national interests is understandable, but the social, political, and national image damage they cause are real and will need to be managed with guile and finesse.

I wouldn't put too much weight to perceived loss of support in western media, PCA old farts or not. There's hardly anything that you can lose in the first place anyway. You can't lose something you don't have.

What matters most is facts on the ground, not what the old farts thought.

This is something similar to Belgrade embassy bombing, that's how I felt.

G7 is a washed out hasbeen, which can't do anything meaningful except for optics.
This is G20 age. Let's see what happens in Hangzhou this September.
 
USNI News:
Chinese Ambassador Cui: U.S. Military Moves in South China Sea Are Coercive
The Chinese ambassador to the United States said Tuesday’s ruling against Beijing in its dispute with the Philippines by an international tribunal was “a clear attempt use legal instruments for political purposes” and has “taken place with military coercion” as a backdrop.

Speaking at a Washington think tank, Cui Tiankai said, “China has to stand up to” the coercion it sees in the presence of American and other military vessels transiting near its claimed reefs in the South China Sea. “We will not yield to any pressure” from the military, media or a legal body, he added in rejecting the ruling on China’s claims over much of the region, using the so-called “9 Dash line” as its justification of historical possession. The line was included in post-World War II maps.

In answer to a question, Cui said, “Intensive military action so close to neighboring reefs” or entering those nearby waters could be considered by China as a destabilizing action. He distinguished between the passage of commercial or civilian shipping and military vessels in these disputed territories, saying commerce could pass freely through.

Several times, Cui said, in effect, the United States’ “pivot to Asia” has “not brought us enhanced confidence in the region” and has proved to be a source of rising tensions. He also said countries in the region should look at Syria, Iraq and Libya to see the danger in drawing too close to the United States for military protection. “Be careful what you wish for,” he said.

“None of us [in Asia] would pivot to any other place in the world.”

Cui said, “We don’t have any territorial dispute” nor a strategic rivalry with the United States. A “Cold War mentality will not solve the problems of today’s world.” He said the choice of how to proceed the United States wants to proceed was “extremely important,” alluding to the upcoming presidential election. “We want to see a positive interaction,” one with “no conflict, no confrontation.”

He termed the Rim of the Pacific exercise as a confidence-building measure between the two nations’ militaries vital to avoid future miscalculations of intent.

The ruling by the Permanent Court of Arbitration on the United Nations’ Convention of the Law of the Sea “probably opens the door to weaken arbitration procedures.” At the same time, the decision “certainly undermines diplomatic efforts” to resolve these disputes. He added China has successfully negotiated land territorial disputes with 12 of its 14 neighbors.

“We are actually a community of common destiny” with the Association of South East Asian Nations.

Cui said the core issue of territorial disputes was not subject to the law of the sea convention or the Hague tribunal’s jurisdiction. “A failure to recognize that is a matter of professional incompetence.” He added the case itself was “initiated not out of good will or good faith.”

In answer to a question, the ambassador said China is open to negotiating with the Philippines to resolve territorial disputes, but “it takes two to tango.” Earlier in his remarks, Cui said, “diplomatic efforts should not be dropped by a scrap of paper or a fleet of aircraft carriers.”
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tidalwave

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I guess China doesn't even care being rogue at this point. China is not Iran or Russia,i t cannot be sanctioned because it has industry from A to Z. There's nothing it can't produced. Some maybe less quality but still work nevertheless.
China, the rogue nation and ISIS form a pretty potent punch. China supply whatever ISIS needs and ISIS will do all the dirty works.
 

mr.bean

Junior Member
so Tsai ingwen still has a backbone. or half a backbone, that's nice to know. good job i'd love to see our taiwan brothers do something, ANYTHING about the SCS, Taiping Island or the 11 dot line.
 

SouthernSky

Junior Member
I heard China is open to join hand with ISiS;with iSis promise not to mess around in Xinjiang.

I guess China doesn't even care being rogue at this point. China is not Iran or Russia,i t cannot be sanctioned because it has industry from A to Z. There's nothing it can't produced. Some maybe less quality but still work nevertheless.
China, the rogue nation and ISIS form a pretty potent punch. China supply whatever ISIS needs and ISIS will do all the dirty works.

More gold nuggets from SDF.
 

AndrewS

Brigadier
Registered Member
I guess China doesn't even care being rogue at this point. China is not Iran or Russia,i t cannot be sanctioned because it has industry from A to Z. There's nothing it can't produced. Some maybe less quality but still work nevertheless.
China, the rogue nation and ISIS form a pretty potent punch. China supply whatever ISIS needs and ISIS will do all the dirty works.

No, China has no need to support ISIS, and this would inevitably result in blowback.

Iran would be a much better partner, but I doubt that will happen as China is big enough to just ignore its critics anyway
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
China had stated it has the right to establish and ADIZ of its security and interests are threatened there.

This is a clear warning of the consequences and costs if anyone tries to use this ruling to infringe on Chinese claims and rights in the SCS.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
I guess China doesn't even care being rogue at this point. China is not Iran or Russia,i t cannot be sanctioned because it has industry from A to Z. There's nothing it can't produced. Some maybe less quality but still work nevertheless.
China, the rogue nation and ISIS form a pretty potent punch. China supply whatever ISIS needs and ISIS will do all the dirty works.
China and ISIS are mortal enemies, but you probably didn't know that.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Some perspectives are in order. The western media "firestorm" is really just a lot of hot air, and while they may rage and blow for the moment, they will have moved on to something else next week.

On the other hand, it's my opinion that the US has just played its last card. Its overtures to Vietnam has gotten nowhere, and Philippines, once the most vociferous opponent of China in the region, has turned conciliatory. The US is so out of options that it had to call in Japan.

It would make no sense for the US to take any escalatory measures right now, as PH itself has said it wants direct negotiations with China. Over the next months, we will see closer China-PH cooperation. I predict railway contracts and joint-exploitation agreements to be announced.
 
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