China's Defense/Military Breaking News Thread

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Since I'm in the US, it's not very local is it?

Jesus. A very 'local' in that context mean Chinese. Hence my surprise that you, a non-speaker, was able to find it.

But then I suspect you already know this and fired off the cheap shot on purpose.

You said it yourself in the first place that the story is not from a reputable media. Meaning you don't believe it. So again if you don't believe in the first place then how can you change a story that you don't believe and spin it to be more like the Hainan incident? That's what's screwy. That's comes across as odd.

Stop putting words into my mouth and read what I wrote more carefully. For your benefit I'll quote it.

Anyway, Tuku is part of China.com... which is rather unreliable. If the alleged press conference did in fact happened and the exchange took place I should expect to see it in more reputable media soon. IN any event it's really nothing to write home about, it's most likely a version of the 2001 Hainan incident that didn't go bad - a plane flying very close to Chinese airspace and left when the PLAAF scrambled to nudge it further off.

That means:
1) I observe that the site is not very reliable (note: This doesn't mean I don't believe it. Even unreliable media is seldom 100% wrong. That's your reading comprehension issue, not my problem)
2) I am expecting a confirmation (since found) before placing more weight on it.
3) I then postulated that if it were true, then it might be similar to the Hainan incident and other such things - where a plane skirting national airspace was deemed to have intruded.

If you find that suggesting a possible explanation over something that may not have happened is 'odd' and 'spin'... then we can more or less close down half the forum since a lot of the place is devoted to rumours and grainy photos.

If you don't know the facts then how do you know it's more like the Hainan incident?

I don't. That's why words like 'most likely' were used. One doesn't use that if one is certain. Stop trying to misrepresent my post.

And if you dare to read my posts carefully like you demand everyone else in here that you're condescending to, I said it didn't mesh but somehow you're offended by it being suggested hence why you had to spin to declare it was by default China's fault i.e. Hainan. Odd. Again why be offended by an inquiry? I don't know if it's true or not hence why I was asking for more info if anyone heard of it. And you have a problem with that?

I already said I wasn't offended. This is the second time you said I was.

I just replied to your post and thought it was odd that a non-speaker (something you revealed by using that atrociously badly translated title) would stumble on tuku - the thing wasn't exactly Shanghaiist or People's Daily English, is it?

Stop trying to turn my remark - which I have repeated for the THIRD time now - regarding a non-Chinese speaker quoting a very local source - into the me trying to stop you bringing it up. That's nothing more or less than misrepresentation - and dare I say it - spin.

....declare it was by default China's fault i.e. Hainan.

Oh, and so you think Hainan was China's fault, do you? Interesting.

Oh yeah, this is also the bit where you show that I 'declared' it was 'China's fault'. Go on.

I don't like to make an issue of such things normally, but your obduracy had gone too far. If you are unable to show at least an honest misunderstanding on your part as to why you think I had done the above things you accused me of, I would like an apology from you for continuously claiming that I had been 'spinning' this incident to be China's fault.

 

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Jesus. A very 'local' in that context mean Chinese. Hence my surprise that you, a non-speaker, was able to find it.

But then I suspect you already know this and fired off the cheap shot on purpose.

Generalizing? Cheap shot? Coming from the guy that has a condescending rude attitude towards everyone else you've replied to. You replied to many of my posts and I did not respond. Then the one I did you get offended.

Stop putting words into my mouth and read what I wrote more carefully. For your benefit I'll quote it.

You should take your own advice. Look at the Chinese economics thread you just replied to. I did not deny anything yet you claim I did.

That means:
1) I observe that the site is not very reliable (note: This doesn't mean I don't believe it. Even unreliable media is seldom 100% wrong. That's your reading comprehension issue, not my problem)
2) I am expecting a confirmation (since found) before placing more weight on it.
3) I then postulated that if it were true, then it might be similar to the Hainan incident and other such things - where a plane skirting national airspace was deemed to have intruded.

If you find that suggesting a possible explanation over something that may not have happened is 'odd' and 'spin'... then we can more or less close down half the forum since a lot of the place is devoted to rumours and grainy photos.

Confirmation? As I did when inquiring about the indicent? Yet you were offended by me just asking. So why is not a problem when you do it? It is odd and spin when you first don't believe it then try to rewite what you didn't believe to blame China as if that were the case. That's what gave you away. Talk about generalizing. You automatically got defensive and blamed China even though you don't know the facts.

I don't. That's why words like 'most likely' were used. One doesn't use that if one is certain. Stop trying to misrepresent my post.

Most likely? Generalizing again. The Hainan incident is an example of all to you and that's why you deny the incident that you don't believe in the first place was like Hainan? And take your own logic. Like no one has ever sent recon planes over China? What's most likely?

I already said I wasn't offended. This is the second time you said I was.

I just replied to your post and thought it was odd that a non-speaker (something you revealed by using that atrociously badly translated title) would stumble on tuku - the thing wasn't exactly Shanghaiist or People's Daily English, is it?

Stop trying to turn my remark - which I have repeated for the THIRD time now - regarding a non-Chinese speaker quoting a very local source - into the me trying to stop you bringing it up. That's nothing more or less than misrepresentation - and dare I say it - spin.

Strange since your translation wasn't that much different from Google. I don't know why you think it's that hard for someone like me who isn't that fluent. And that's why I ask if anyone heard about it to get some clarification. I don't know why you find that strange unless you were generalizing. It's pretty simple finding stuff on the internet. Sorry to tell you you have a rude attitude towards others in here and that 's how it comes across. You didn't ask for confirmation. The first thing you did was take a swipe at my translation just like how many times your response to eveyone else is they're wrong and you're right in the first sentence. Then you said the source wasn't reliable and then spun the story to more your liking. I didn't see any asking for confirmation which I was doing.

Oh, and so you think Hainan was China's fault, do you? Interesting.

Oh yeah, this is also the bit where you show that I 'declared' it was 'China's fault'. Go on.

I don't like to make an issue of such things normally, but your obduracy had gone too far. If you are unable to show at least an honest misunderstanding on your part as to why you think I had done the above things you accused me of, I would like an apology from you for continuously claiming that I had been 'spinning' this incident to be China's fault.

Like no one knows that position? So how do you assume just because I bring up the Hainan incident it's an admission it's China's fault? Why did you bring up Hainan and nothing else if people didn't know what position people were on? When you have to rewrite a story that says someone violated Chinese airspace and you don't believe it in the first place and then say it was more like the Hainan, what else are you thinking? Maybe because you think someone not fluent in Chinese can't navigate around Chinese sites, that's why you think that way. Now you've learned something and expanded your knowledge.

 

[RedMercury]

Cheese and rice. Chill out you two. It is an internet forum. You don't have to be offended. You don't have to correct every mistake you read. You don't have to make sure every single person got your point or understood your position. Post what you want to say in as clear and non-obnoxious way as possible and leave it at that. Sheeessssh. I'm pretty tired of going through multiple threads to read the news, just to be spammed by post after long post arguing about subtle incriminations.

 

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All personnel participating in the 'Joint Teaching 2012 Queshan' joint drill from 19 colleges and academies, scientific research institutions and combat troop units of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) arrived at the combined tactics training base of the Jinan Military Area Command (MAC) in Queshan Mountain on the afternoon of June 6, 2012 by such military force projection ways as motorized maneuvering and railway maneuvering.

This joint drill involves four military services as the Army, the Navy, the Air Force and the Second Artillery Force, and four systems namely the military system, the political system, the logistics system and the armament system, 19 military colleges and academies of related majors, and 24 organizations of troop units, training bases and scientific research institutions. The total strength for this joint drill reaches more than 3,000 persons, among whom 533 are cadets from the military colleges and academies.

The joint drill, taking the ground joint combat as the subject, will center on 5 training issues including joint organization and planning, joint fire attack, joint attacking and capturing fortress, joint maneuvering attack and annihilation and joint occupation and control, and use the combat command information system to conduct the command confrontation drill in such two phases as organization and planning and combat implementation.

According to Yang Baoyou, executive director of the joint drill and professor of the Campaign and Tactics Department of the Shijiazhuang Army Command College, the cadet command posts have been set up, the communication facilities and command system have been deployed and the joint directing department has conducted the training and deduction for about a week to date.

Starting from June 7, the participants of the joint drill will be organized to complete the drill grouping, conduct operation training for the combat command system and complete the drill preparations. The joint drill will be held from June 9 to 11. The theoretical discussions and joint drill result assessment will be held on June 12.

The "Joint Teaching 2012 Queshan" joint drill is the first all-factor and multi-dimensional "joint teaching and joint training" practice and exploration activity among the PLA colleges and academies as well as the troop units, which will provide practical experience for exploring the methods and ways for future comprehensive promotion of "joint teaching and joint training".

 

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The Military Technology Mobilization Office of the Zhejiang Provincial Military Command (PMC) of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) released the good news that 16 military-civilian integrated industrial bases had settled down in east China's Zhejiang province. Over 130 private enterprises have joined the bases, covering 20-plus technical fields such as aviation, optoelectronic, environmental protection, health care, new material, new energy and so on. More than 350 scientific research and production projects of military-civilian-used equipment and military industrial support products such as the bullet-proof tire and the aircraft black box are speeding up their project approvals and implementations.

During the first "National Defense Systems and Private Enterprises Exchange Conference" of Zhejiang province held in 2008, the military and civilian sides signed up the purchase orders for military industrial support products with the total amount of 770 million yuan.

According to the Economic and Information Committee of Zhejiang province, there have been 500-plus military-civilian scientific and technological achievements transferred and settled down at the bases so far, with the total product orders for military industrial support products, such as avionics parts and components as well as warship coating materials, exceeding 10 billion yuan.

 

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The Central Military Commission (CMC) of the People's Republic of China (PRC) and the General Headquarters/Departments of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) have promulgated a series of policies of loving and caring for grassroots officers and men since the 11th Five-Year Plan period.

Living standards of PLA grassroots officers and men keep improving

The standard of meals for grassroots officers and men has been uplifted for twice, with the minimum standard raised from 10 yuan to 18 yuan for each person every day. The newly-built modern barracks are fully functional, highly informationized and environmentally friendly. All the officers and men have received the type-07 new military uniforms. The standard of medical security has been improved, the variety of medical security medicines has been increased to 2,135 and the medical treatment expenses of common soldiers have increased by 30% in the past five years. All the PLA grassroots companies have been equipped with satellite televisions and internet is available in nearly 90% of the organic battalions and companies.

Field operations' living support enhances combat effectiveness

With the enhanced strength of the national economy, science and technology, the battlefield support capability of the PLA has made great strides. The new technologies, new equipment and new products used for battlefield logistics support have emerged in quick succession these years, which have effectively improved the living and support conditions of training and operation of officers and men and have improved the combat effectiveness.

The General Logistics Department (GLD) of the PLA has developed a new-generation compressed food and fortified 10 vitamins and 5 mineral elements, making nutrients more comprehensive and balanced. The PLA Navy has developed more than 80 kinds of new-type food that are green, fresh, nutritious and environmentally friendly. The Second Artillery Force (SAF) of the PLA has developed various field rations such as anti-radiation food and food for tunnel conditions.

The Health Department under the GLD of the PLA offered a set of data: the incidence rate of altitude diseases has declined significantly after the implementation of the "oxygen-inhaling project" in all the PLA plateau troop units.

 

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The issue of flight security and support has long been a common problem faced by the air force and the civil aviation of every country in the world. If any tiny foreign body is inhaled into the engine of aircraft, it will lead to unpredictable losses. In the past, the traditional security measure for the airport runway surface is mechanical cleaning and manual inspection, while the avian surveillance, bird-repelling and anti-bird measures are mainly depending on huge-crowd tactics with prevalent lack of effective technical means and methods.

A department under the Air Force of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) has addressed the issue of the two "enemies" for aviation force, and successfully developed the airport runway foreign-body detection system and the avian surveillance and repelling system after three years' research. Through experimental tests, the primary performance indexes of the new systems have both proven to exceed the technical levels of similar domestic and foreign products.

To better improve the effects of night-time monitoring, the scientific research personnel of the department utilized such advanced technologies as near infrared auxiliary lighting and low-light level imaging in their 200-plus times of tests and eventually made new breakthroughs in such aspects as automatic scanning, automatic identification, automatic alarm and precise positioning to ensure further enhancement of the efficiency and reliability.

Bird collision has been identified by the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI) to be the A-class aviation disaster. The new avian surveillance system developed by the scientific research team of the department has overcome a number of key technologies such as the high-speed scanning image stabilization technology, target monitoring in complex scenes, and so on, and realized the integration of image mosaic, target identification and avian alarm, which has readily resolved the problems of automatic day-and-night monitoring and proactive repelling timely.

 

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The General Staff Headquarters (GSH) of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) checked and approved the preparations for the upcoming command confrontation drill of the PLA on July 6, 2012. The first academy-based command confrontation drill of command-and-staff organs of the PLA will be conducted soon at the Nanjing Army Command College of the PLA.

The general headquarters/departments of the PLA deployed the tasks of the drill in March 2012. All participating troop units and academies have carefully planned and prepared and the drill will be conducted as scheduled.

Since the year 2010, the general headquarters/departments of the PLA have organized the exploration for command confrontation training modes of command-and-staff organs based on information system, and have mainly carried out the experimental work of two training organization modes: one is the command confrontation training organized by military area commands with the support from bases and the other is the command confrontation training organized by troop units below the army corps level themselves. The two training organization modes have played an important role in pushing forward the training of command-and-staff organs of PLA troop units.

Relying on academies to organize command-and-staff organs of PLA troop units to conduct command confrontation drill is the deepening and expansion of the exploratory experimental work in the past two years. The drill will rely on the Army Combat Command Training Center of the Nanjing Army Command College of the PLA to organize four command organizations at the division level to conduct independent confrontation against the first specialized simulated “Blue Army” of the PLA academies in the form of in-college drill and long-distance off-site drill.

The drill will effectively make up for the deficiencies of the original self-directed command training of the PLA troop units, realize the separation of the command organizations, the simulated “Blue Army” and the directing and adjusting organizations, and effectively improve the capabilities of command-and-staff organs of PLA troop units to command battles and organize training with information system.

 

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The reporters saw at a troop unit under the Beijing Garrison of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) on the afternoon of August 2, 2012 that the staff on duty was using the "military vehicle dynamic monitoring system" to conduct real-time monitoring on those vehicles out on duties. The information of the running vehicles and drivers, the vehicle locations, operation status and so on were immediately shown on the monitoring platform.

A leader of the Military Transportation Department under the PLA General Logistics Department (GLD) noted that this marked the beginning of the pilot construction of the PLA vehicle dynamic monitoring system, while all the vehicles of the PLA will be gradually included into the dynamic monitoring system.

The development of the system is designed to realize effective tracking, monitoring and control of military vehicles on transportation duty and to meet the demands of logistics support under the information-based conditions.

The system relies mainly on the Beidou Satellite Navigation System as well as the technologies of mobile communication and wireless data collection to establish a 4-level monitoring platform for the general headquarters/departments, leading organs of various military area commands (services and arms), leading organs of troop units, and vehicle pools of detachments.

Meanwhile, the vehicle-mounted Beidou terminals have been installed on military vehicles so that an all-weather, all-terrain and full-process vehicle dynamic monitoring network system has been established.