China won Turkey's missile defense competition

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Can I ask why Russia is always peddling their S300? Why not s400?

Officially, the reason being that the S-400 not for export, while the demand for Russian army will not be fully satisfied.
Unofficially, because political reasons.. Russia initially wanted to offer the S-400, but then there was a noticeable deterioration in relations between our two countries, because of the very strong differences of positions on Syria
 

asif iqbal

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Turkey is a full NATO member and does not compromise on technology, they would certainly not compromise on a national project with billions involved

HQ-9 must have proved itself in ever aspect of the needs of Turkey, very good news

Russia was invited to increase the competition Turkey would was never going got S400, this means Patriot was out done by HQ-9, thing is Chinese can tailor the requirements of the customer to their needs which makes them very attractive

How many launchers and missiles are they buy?
 

Totoro

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12 batteries, allegedly. But that was an early requirement and who knows if the whole weapons acquisition programme changed since then. Also, 3 billion is NOT price for batteries alone but also for certain amount of tech transfer, perhaps even full tech transfer. So price per battery is impossible to know.
 

williamhou

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This is the most significant arms deal China has done so far.

Beating PAC-3 and Aster 30 in an open competition means a lot, and they are selling to a NATO member. HQ-9 must has proved its worth and we can be more confident on the capability of 052C/D destroyers too.
 

siegecrossbow

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Now for those of you who think that China won this contract solely based on price and technology transfer, well think again. Here what the Turkish defense ministry had to say

Turkey decides to buy 4B USD worth of Chinese HQ-9 missile systems

because HQ-9's hit all targets while Patriot and S-400 miss some in field tests.

Google translate

Turkish Defense Minister Yilmaz Thursday (26 May) announced that China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation, has won the Turkish manufacturing range air defense and missile defense system tender.
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To participate in this project worth about $ 4 billion bid for air defense missile systems: American Patriot, Russian S-400, France, Italy, the European air defense missile's Samp-T, as well as China's FD-2000 (Sina Editor's note: the Chinese HQ-9 air defense missile export version).

The reason why the red flag 9 wins, mainly in the tender scene shooting live ammunition in all hit, while the Patriots and S300 are repeatedly off-target, fabled,


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Some fanboys will not take this news well. They probably will blame it on the Turkish officials taking bribes or something ridiculous.
 

asif iqbal

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The value of the *contract is huge, its worth more than the 4 x ZDK-03, 4 x F22P FFG and 50 x JF-17 aircraft for Pakistan actually Pakistan's total comes to only 60% of the single Turkish contract*
 

foxmulder

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For a big ticket military contract, especially for long range air defense system, the main decision factor is politics. Erdogan is trying to make a point. He was not happy with USA and Russia for Syria/Egypt thing and with France because of EU membership hurdles. China was in the right place at the right time.

Also, it is at least 25% cheaper than competition and apparently successful in tests.

Politics >>> Money > Specs. :)


Land based rockets, then military satellite and now HQ-9s.. What can be the next thing?


By the way, it is still not a done deal.
 

Blitzo

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Now for those of you who think that China won this contract solely based on price and technology transfer, well think again. Here what the Turkish defense ministry had to say

Turkey decides to buy 4B USD worth of Chinese HQ-9 missile systems

because HQ-9's hit all targets while Patriot and S-400 miss some in field tests.

Google translate

Turkish Defense Minister Yilmaz Thursday (26 May) announced that China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation, has won the Turkish manufacturing range air defense and missile defense system tender.
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To participate in this project worth about $ 4 billion bid for air defense missile systems: American Patriot, Russian S-400, France, Italy, the European air defense missile's Samp-T, as well as China's FD-2000 (Sina Editor's note: the Chinese HQ-9 air defense missile export version).

The reason why the red flag 9 wins, mainly in the tender scene shooting live ammunition in all hit, while the Patriots and S300 are repeatedly off-target, fabled,


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FYI guys this article is partially BS because the Russians never offered S-400... S-400 isn't even cleared for export yet, and it certainly didn't participate in live fire trials in turkey
 

Hendrik_2000

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FYI guys this article is partially BS because the Russians never offered S-400... S-400 isn't even cleared for export yet, and it certainly didn't participate in live fire trials in turkey

It could be misprint but it doesn't diminish the HQ 9 effectiveness . No one can gamble when it come to the security of a Nation and Turkey is no exception. Nothing but the best will do. Politic doesn't even come into consideration.

So I would say the order of importance is more like Spec(performance)->money-> politic. HQ 9 win the competition fair and square. It is rare that we see open and fair competition between Chinese defense industry and their counterpart. This one is the only one I remember in recent year.Most of the time China was barred from even entering the competition

Let see what is HQ 9 up against. I repost Xinhui post in worldaffair board back in 2009
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Lockheed Martin, the world's largest defense contractor, is teaming up with Raytheon in Turkey's tender for the acquisition of long-range missiles and hoping to become the company that will ultimately supply Turkey with what it says is the ultimate line of defense against enemy airborne threats: the Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC 3) missile defense system.

However, the challenges posed -- not only by the effects of the ongoing economic crisis and the possible restructuring of defense budgets, but also by competition from countries not listed amongst the US's allies -- represent significant obstacles to negotiations.

Having admitted to the media on a number of occasions that Turkey currently has no defense against ballistic missiles, Undersecretariat for the Defense Industry (SSM) head Murad Bayar has said that a request for proposal (RFP) will soon be issued for the direct purchase of a long-range air and missile defense system intended to counter both missiles and aircraft. The project, valued at some $4 billion, will include the purchase of about 12 systems and follows a request for information (RFI) initially issued in March 2007. Turkey plans to announce the winner of the project by the end of 2009.

Lockheed Martin says the Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC 3) missile defense system is the ultimate line of defense against enemy airborne threats.

According to Dennis Cavin, vice president of Lockheed Martin's business development for missiles and fire control department, the RFP has already gone out. He reported that a couple of weeks ago, when Turkey issued the RFP, it went not only to US companies, but also to Russian and Chinese companies. Both letters of request (LOR) and letters of offers and acceptance (LOA) were reported as having been submitted.

While US companies Lockheed Martin and Raytheon have jointly offered a combination of PAC-3 and PAC-2 low-to-high-altitude surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) to be purchased through US foreign military sales (FMS) credits, the China National Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation (CPMIEC) has offered the HQ-9 (reported export designation FD-2000) air-defense system. Turkey is hoping Russia will offer its more advanced S-400 defense system, which many suspect of having been manufactured with much Chinese input.

However, Washington has been pressing Ankara to consider potential NATO interoperability problems that could occur should Turkey opt for a non-Western solution.

Offsetting, the process of maximizing domestic input into defense expenditures, has been set at 50 percent by the Turkish authorities and offset negotiations are said to have begun between Raytheon and Turkish companies for the possible procurement of missile defense systems.
 
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