China won Turkey's missile defense competition

FarkTypeSoldier said:

What is the weapon and got source?

I am not doubting Pakistan as I respect the nation very much, we would like to see some source...

Cheers

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chuck731 said:

Interesting. I interpret this to mean the American and Russian packages offered to turkey does not include total access to critical components controlling whether any engagement can proceed, where as the Chinese promised the Turkish open access to these same components in the FD-2000

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(Reuters) - China's likely sale of sophisticated missiles to Turkey over the objections of its NATO allies might have angered Washington and other capitals, but it should not have been a surprise.

Even as the U.S. has spent billions of dollars and lost hundreds of lives in Iraq and Afghanistan, Beijing has been quietly upping its presence in the Middle East.

Militarily, the U.S. - which maintains a permanent aircraft carrier presence near the Gulf as well as dozens of other warships and major bases in Turkey, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates - is by far the dominant regional power.

China has tended to follow Russia's lead on the Middle East, sometimes appearing sidelined on issues such as Syria.

Beijing's economic, political and diplomatic clout, however, is growing fast. China's Ministry of Commerce said last month China-Arab nation trade now reaches $222 billion a year, 12 times its 2002 level. That would outstrip U.S.-Mideast trade, valued at $193 billion in 2011.

Militarily too, China's footprint is rising. As well as maintaining a three-ship antipiracy task force in the Indian Ocean and occasionally sending ships to the Mediterranean, Beijing has deployed UN peacekeepers to Lebanon.

Turkey's choice of a $3.4 billion deal to acquire the Chinese FD-2000 missile defense system rather than rival U.S. or European systems may be a sign of things to come.

"It is a wake-up call," said Christina Lin, a former U.S. official and now fellow at the School for Advanced International Studies who last year briefed the Pentagon's Joint Chiefs on the issue. "China is looking to get a lot more involved in the Middle East and is being increasingly accepted there."

China's interests in the region, she said, ranged from energy and investment to countering the spread of jihadist militancy, a major worry for Beijing in its Muslim provinces.

The firm that makes the missile system, China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp (CPMIEC) is under US sanctions for violations of the Iran, North Korea and Syria Nonproliferation Act. While Turkish officials said the deal was not yet officially finalized, it was likely to go through.

U.S. and other NATO officials complain it may not be compatible with other NATO systems and may increase the risk of cyber attack or other interference across the alliance. The Chinese Foreign Ministry said Western states were overreacting to what was essentially simply a commercial decision.

Mixing commerce and geopolitics, experts say, is at the heart of Beijing's approach. Chinese officials have become regular visitors to most Mideast states while a range of regional leaders including Turkey's Tayyip Erdogan, Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu, Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas and Jordan's King Abdullah have all visited China.

The aftermath of the "Arab Spring" and Washington's abandonment of longtime proxies such as Egypt's Hosni Mubarak, some analysts say, has left some governments keen to find alternative allies. Even longtime U.S. partners feel the draw.

"I personally have close friendly relations with various Chinese leaders, current and former," Jordan's Abdullah told Chinese media last month. "We are interested in building on this relationship... because China plays a vital role in promoting world peace and stability and has an influential role in regional issues."

SOARING ENERGY NEEDS

Beijing has long been a major supplier of small arms to the region - the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute this month reported 2006-10 sales to Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Qatar. Still, the Turkish deal is seen as a major breakthrough for its advanced weapon sales.

China's soaring energy needs are seen as a major motivator, coming just as the U.S. gets closer to energy independence and budget constraints and public reluctance hit its military presence.

The International Energy Agency expects China's Mideast oil imports to grow from 2.9 million barrels per day in 2011 to 6.7 million in 2035, a projected 54 percent of total Chinese oil imports.

Already, Chinese national oil companies are amongst the biggest players in Iraq and Iran and Beijing is both Saudi Arabia's largest trading partner and the biggest single purchaser of Iran's crude.

That purchasing power has effectively allowed China and other Asian powers to determine how successful U.S. and European sanctions on Iran over its nuclear program can be.

In the long run, some analysts suggest Beijing's oil needs could actually bring it closer to the West, particularly on Iran. The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute says Chinese defense sales to Tehran have already notably fallen.

"If Washington (were to) substantially reduce its military presence in the region, oil security concerns might compel Beijing to play a larger role in defusing the primary threat to the free flow of oil - the closure of the Strait of Hormuz," former CIA energy analyst Erica Downs told a congressional probe into Chinese trade practices earlier this year.

"NEW SILK ROUTE"

China's regional ambitions, however, go well beyond defense deals and oil. While some 75 percent of U.S.-Mideast trade remains energy-related, China has deliberately diversified and says more than half its regional trade is now non-energy.

Last month, China hosted a five-day China-Arab States Expo in Its north-west Ningxia Hui Autonomous region.

"Though the trade growth is fast, there is still room for improvement," Zhu Weilie, director for the Centre for China-Arab States Co-Operation Forum Studies told Xinhua. "The two sides should enhance mutual trust to improve communications in political, economic and cultural fields."

Infrastructure projects have been a major focus. Port operator Cosco owns part of Egypt's Port Said container terminal. Rail ventures include Medina to Mecca in Saudi Arabia, Mediterranean to Red Sea in Israel and Ankara to Istanbul in Turkey.

In the longer term, there is also talk of linking Turkey and Central Asia to China by rail, providing Chinese goods access to Europe through what some analysts call "a new Silk Route".

Ultimately, Chinese investment may prompt the kind of backlash already seen in Africa. Its attempts to befriend everybody may also prove unsustainable - its stance on Syria has already irritated some Gulf states and prompted an angry protest at its embassy in Libya.

For now, however, it remains broadly welcomed. In July, a Pew Centre survey showed China viewed more positively than the U.S. in every Mideast state except Israel.

"If you talk to diplomats in the Gulf, they are very impressed," former U.S. official Lin said. "Chinese ambassadors in the region tend to speak very good, classical Arabic while the Americans still expect everyone to talk in English."

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A.Man said:

At 07:58 on October 12th, 2013 Source: World Journal

Original title: red flag -9 is a "versatile player" red flag -9 air defense missile system (data plan) by the end of September, the Turkish government officially announced that "Turkey range air defense missile defense system "Selected Chinese red flag -9 (export-oriented FD-2000) as the next generation of long-range air defense system, Turkey. This message is one, so that Western countries had ambitious surprise. Chinese red flag -9 what defeated the U.S. "Patriot", Russia's S-300 missile systems such as the world's top?

□ newspaper freelance writer Guang-Wen Chen

China's most advanced anti-aircraft missiles HQ-9 long-range air defense missile export model FD-2000, as a mature battle air defense weapons, is considered China's most advanced anti-aircraft missiles . The missile system is equipped with HT-233 phased array fire control radar for the C-band, detecting distance of up to 120 kilometers, a distance of 90 km track can simultaneously track 100 targets in the air, and guided missiles to attack them more than 50 target. Compared with ordinary radar, HT-233 with multi-function, high reliability, system response time is short and the anti-interference ability and other characteristics.

In the hitting power, the red flag -9 missile carries a 180 kg warhead, the maximum speed of Mach 4.2, a maximum range of 125 km. As a full-height air defense and missile defense systems, FD-2000 can weather combat, massive air strikes, and even suffered a serious case of electronic interference, you can still target and interceptor missiles and aircraft types. For example, targeting cruise missiles (7 to 24 km), ground missiles (7 to 50 km), precision-guided bombs and tactical ballistic missiles (7 to 25 km) and aircraft (7 ~ 125 km).

The system also has a very strong anti-saturation attack, multiple waves of anti-ballistic missile attack capability and some ability. HQ-9 long-range air defense missile systems to brigade combat units, usually including a command vehicle, six control vehicles, six radar target irradiation cars, six search radar vehicles, 48 missile launchers Total 192 missiles. Meanwhile, the car will be equipped with a positioning, a communication vehicle, a vehicle power supply as well as a support vehicle.

Allegedly, in Turkey the bidding process, by the Turkish military arranged test shooting, the red flag -9 hair 9 of 9, which all participants in the missile is unique. It is reported that the red flag -9 range air defense missile weapon system capable of air strikes and cluster under the conditions of strong electronic interference-weather air defense operations can intercept all kinds of aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles, precision-guided weapons, with a strong anti-saturation attacks and multiple waves attack, reached the international advanced level.

Some media said, as a variety of air weapons all airspace nemesis, the red flag -9 turned out, no doubt reflecting the world's most advanced long-range air defense missile technology, marking China has become the world's first three long-range air and missile defense technology and capacity of the country.

Why the hell beat red flag -9 "top experts"?

Plan to publish tenders in Turkey after competing is the world's most typical representative of the four most anti-aircraft missiles, and are the most top weapons. How was the red flag -9 "beat" several other world, "top players" in? In the range, the red flag -9 than S-300 surviving some gaps, but it still has some advantages. HQ-9 missile response time of only 15 seconds, can simultaneously deal with nearly 50 goals, while the S-300 can only deal simultaneously with six goals; HQ-9 missile system layout is more reasonable.

In addition, the price advantage is also red flag -9 Russian-made S-300 able to pose a challenge. HQ-9 missile strike conventional air target range over the U.S. "Patriot" missile system, perhaps even as much as the U.S. military's THAAD missile system. HQ-9's range is also slightly more than the Italian - France jointly developed "Aster 30" missiles. More importantly, as opposed to Chinese missile, the other three missiles prices are high, and they are native to Turkey to improve on defense technology does not have much substantive help, this is probably the final choice of Turkey is important for Chinese products one of the reasons. This is the A-100 and B-611 long-range surface-to-rocket after the Turkish military of China the third large-scale procurement of advanced weapons.

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(Reuters) - The United States is talking to Turkey about its concern over Ankara's decision to co-produce a long-range air and missile defense system with a Chinese firm under U.S. sanctions, U.S. Ambassador Francis Ricciardone said on Thursday.

"We are very concerned about the prospective deal with the sanctioned Chinese firm. Yes this is a commercial decision, it is Turkey's sovereign right, but we are concerned about what it means for allied air defense," Ricciardone told reporters.

Turkey, a member of the NATO military alliance, announced in September it had chosen the FD-2000 missile defense system from China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp, or CPMIEC, over rival systems from Russian, U.S. and European firms.

CPMIEC is under U.S. sanctions for violations of the Iran, North Korea and Syria Nonproliferation Act.

"We have just begun expert discussions with Turkey and it will be done through official channels. We will have respectful conversations. We are concerned, but Turkey will make its own decision after examining the facts," Ricciardone said.

Turkey has said it is likely to sign the $3.4 billion missile defense deal with CPMIEC but that its decision is not yet final. Some defense analysts had expected the contract to go to U.S. company Raytheon Co or the Franco-Italian Eurosam SAMP/T.

Diplomats say buying a system that does not work with NATO systems would hamper the ability of NATO allies to work together, undermining a principle of the 28-nation alliance.

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LesAdieux said:

america's effort to sabotage the deal continues.

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FarkTypeSoldier said:

Looks like Turkey have extended the bidding decision to Jan 2014, and Shinzo Abe seems to be the real sabotage!

"俄罗斯战略与技术分析中心网站10月29日报道，土耳其国防部下属的国防工业局已决定将有关采购中远程防空导弹系统的招标活动延长至2014年1月31日。此举意味着该局在今年9月26日作出的采购中国HQ-9(红旗-9)防空系统的决定已遭否决，同时招标活动将重新举行。"

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