China won Turkey's missile defense competition

Equation

Lieutenant General
I tend to agree with this. While I think this deal would definitely give some risk of passing along classified information to NATO countries and having NATO countries test against these systems, it is offset by whatever knowledge or standards or technology that China may gain in the process. There are reasons why US is really not happy about this (outside of loosing the export sales).

The interesting thing is that as China improves its own technology, how much will it be sharing improvements with this Turkey sales. I would think whatever upgrades they plan will be a collaboration between Chinese and Turkish industry.

With that said, I'm curious to know if Turkey can export the FM-2000 (HQ-9) to other countries and still has to pay royalties to the Chinese company?
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
"o" as in zero degrees C, meaning no zero degrees for China? Wow, that would take a lot of imagination to get the point. :eek:

I think he meant the letter "O", as in c"o"untry. But according to the article Assassinsmace was saying that the author took away the letter "o" therefore it spelled cuntry. The word "cunt" (just using it as an example) is a derogatory word in the English language.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
"o" as in zero degrees C, meaning no zero degrees for China? Wow, that would take a lot of imagination to get the point. :eek:

No, it's the spelling and the meaning of words. Take the "o" out of "countries" and you have a derogatory slang word towards women in there.
 

chuck731

Banned Idiot
Sooo.... the Turks will not export it but instead makes a much more capable version solely for their own use?

That's putting a fake gloss on it.

I suspect turkey will eventually use the technology obtained with the hq-9 to establish a market for its own armament industry. I suspect the fact that technology obtained from china can be re-exported with fewer strings attached also played a role in the selection of hq-9 over the patriot.

In some ways, turkey will have easier time selling Chinese technology than china, because America will see chinese arms sales as geopolitically more directly competitive with American interests. I can even imagine circumstances when America might subsidize sale of Turkish weapons based on Chinese technology in attempt to thwart the direct sales of Chinese weapon by china.
 
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LesAdieux

Junior Member
Gul, president of Turkey says the decision is not final

on his way back from UN meeting, Gul says "the purchase is not definite. there's a short list and China is on top of it."

reuters and bbc have reported this news.
 

perfume

New Member
Re: Gul, president of Turkey says the decision is not final

on his way back from UN meeting, Gul says "the purchase is not definite. there's a short list and China is on top of it."

reuters and bbc have reported this news.


The president of Turkey even though acts as the head of state, plays largely a ceremonial role not unlike the Queen in the constitutional monarch in place here in the UK. Erdogan is the head of government and together with the council of ministers exercises executive power.

My Turkish friends thinks that Gul probably wasn't even informed of the content of the meeting which lead to the decision being made to go for the HQ9, and says he's just trying to somewhat offset the message Erdogan is trying to send. We should look to Erdogan for something more official.
 

Skywatcher

Captain
I read somewhere that US offered a mix of PAC2 and PAC3 for T LORAMIDS, so it wasn't like they'd hamstrung themselves by only offering PAC3, optimized for BMD. But I could be tripping

TBH, that's the first time I heard that. Will go investigate.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Re: New Chinese Military Developments

..... To counter both enemy missiles and aircraft.

I hate when people don't finish the story. Turkey is building quite the military right now. Licensing of Korean tanks and sph. Taiwanese apc's European attack helicopters, American utility helicopters indigenous landing ships, Chinese air defense, American fighter jets German assault rifles.
Integrating the HQ-9, which is a very good system, with Turkey's other AWAACS and AEW assets is going to be difficult. No way will they allow Chinese techs access to those systems for obvious reasons, and any effort to do so, no matter by who, either way, on the Chinese side or the west, will be nit be welcome because of the info about those systems which could easily flow either wy.

And not being integrated into those other assets would be a weakness in the overall system.

It will be interesting to see how they go about it.
 
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