China won Turkey's missile defense competition
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Skywatcher
Captain
Here's another thing.
The PAC-3 (in MEADS configuration mind you) is only a medium range SAM at best when fighting aircraft.
The PAC-3 (in MEADS configuration mind you) is only a medium range SAM at best when fighting aircraft.
At the same time, if turkey wants full Chinese support for the best possible future upgrades, it would be incentivized to give Chinese access to relevant technologies which would otherwise the Chinese would have more trouble accessing.
When you are thoroughly capable of designing and building your missiles, losing some classified information on the margins hurts you less than you might think. You can always reconfigure your equipment to skirt the loss of secret information. But having leverage needed to access other people's technology, that's quite a boon.
SteelBird
Colonel
Re: U.S. concerned about Turkey's choice of Chinese missile system
This is expected. I don't know if they (Turkey + China) already have plan B to counter this. On the U.S stance, self propelled artillery to Kuwait can be tolerant but not high tech stuff such as AWACS or air defend missile.
well here we go again. this is the first shot fired at turkeyin the coming couple of weeks we should see the full onslaught against the Turkish govt and military from the state dept and the pentagon. the Turkish fort cannot hold, it will do as Israel did in the falcon awac's scenario. this contract will be aborted so let's watch the drama
This is expected. I don't know if they (Turkey + China) already have plan B to counter this. On the U.S stance, self propelled artillery to Kuwait can be tolerant but not high tech stuff such as AWACS or air defend missile.
I read somewhere that US offered a mix of PAC2 and PAC3 for T LORAMIDS, so it wasn't like they'd hamstrung themselves by only offering PAC3, optimized for BMD. But I could be tripping
during the turkish invasion of cyprus in 1975,US place arm embargo against Turkey.this may have important lesson to the turks,shifting away from US arms,in case of another embargo.example after turkish humanitarian convoy attempt to break israel naval embargo in gaza.some within the neocon call for arm embargo against turkey.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Brand is just as important for military hardware as it is for clothing. Because of that Turkey selecting Chinese was in part a message. A lot of converging indirect events probably led up to this decision beyond that the FD2000 met Turkey's requirements and not that it was the best. Being snubbed for membership by the EU... the indecision on Syria... all you read in the news about the decision to choose Chinese is vast disappointment from the West. Turkey most likely feels like an alienated ally that is expected to follow without question. You do seem to hear Turkey speak up on more than one issue countering US interests. Turkey is aiming to reclaim the glory days of the Ottoman Empire. Is this a result of all the disrespect or was this always the plan? Who knows? All these different military systems Turkey has obtained is for now to not put all of their eggs in one basket except for their own which is eventually the goal. Turkey is looking out for itself not looking to make China a friend. I was reading on a Turkish news site articles on the Syrian conflict. I noticed something odd. When it referred to Russia and China, the article seemed to omit the "o" from "countries." Was it a typo or the Turkish public sentiment very much like has been heard from politicians of Turkish descent, i.e. wanting the heat wave in China during the summer to kill all Chinese? Anyway Beijing probably knows it can never count on Turkey. It's a great move if it was intentional on China's part. All the headlines that speak of shock that a NATO ally chose Chinese...
Turks don't like Russians or Chinese and they feel disrespected from the West. Their actions speak of independence. Americans like speculating what countries they have to "deal" with in the future. Lately it's forces not on the radar that have been the surprise.
Turks don't like Russians or Chinese and they feel disrespected from the West. Their actions speak of independence. Americans like speculating what countries they have to "deal" with in the future. Lately it's forces not on the radar that have been the surprise.
I tend to agree with this. While I think this deal would definitely give some risk of passing along classified information to NATO countries and having NATO countries test against these systems, it is offset by whatever knowledge or standards or technology that China may gain in the process. There are reasons why US is really not happy about this (outside of loosing the export sales).
The interesting thing is that as China improves its own technology, how much will it be sharing improvements with this Turkey sales. I would think whatever upgrades they plan will be a collaboration between Chinese and Turkish industry.
Quickie
Colonel
"o" as in zero degrees C, meaning no zero degrees for China? Wow, that would take a lot of imagination to get the point.