china/taiwan news

Orthan said:

That made me laugh. Obviously, the chinese government thinks differently from you.

First, im not dutch, im portuguese. Second, obviously china made a lot of progress since 1995, but in terms of military air and sea capabilities, china continues to be a gnome compared to the US. Third, no, you DONT want to talk about china´s worst mistakes,or do you want me to talk about the great leap forward (in which tens of millions died of starvation) or the cultural revolution ? those are well in the past, but i still remember well Tiananmen Square...

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Your reading comprehension makes me laugh... but only briefly because then I remember I have to actually communicate with an illiterate like you. Not only did you fail to understand my educating you on why China has not used the military option against Taiwan, you also missed that I clearly know you are not Dutch, which is why I said if you were Dutch, you can talk about ASML, but you are Portuguese, you you have no accomplishments to talk about.

Your country is a gnome compared to everybody including Chinese provinces. China's military has weapons and technology already superior to American technology in several areas and it grows faster than any other country in the world. Near China's shores, America already can do nothing. When China was a gnome compared to the US, Americans were confident and outgoing; now they elect the craziest person with the most hatred they can find.

Like I said, China's worst mistakes are still more than your country's greatest triumphs because you have none. Great Leap Forward? Learning experience that China recovered from. Tiananmen, a failure? LOL The failure is that there was not another in Hong Kong last year. What does your country do in 2020? Exist without pissing anyone off. LOL

Orthan said:

That made me laugh. Obviously, the chinese government thinks differently from you.



First, im not dutch, im portuguese. Second, obviously china made a lot of progress since 1995, but in terms of military air and sea capabilities, china continues to be a gnome compared to the US. Third, no, you DONT want to talk about china´s worst mistakes,or do you want me to talk about the great leap forward (in which tens of millions died of starvation) or the cultural revolution ? those are well in the past, but i still remember well Tiananmen Square...

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If you talk about Tian An Men , can you provide links that proved your argument, please don't say what MSM said, the one I ever saw was people running, and never saw a lot of people dies

Orthan said:

The US military and economic fallout from the rest of the world isnt reason enough? your 10-30 year GDP forecasts are only theory and are dependent on so many unknow factors, not least believing in todays china´s GDP data. The rest of your post doesnt even merit my comment.

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As I said before, China is 4 times bigger than US in population. Its bigger than US and EU combined times two. US military can do nothing to China. US military has never fought a war with a country with a bigger population than its own self.

Oh yeah, they did it once, against China in 1950. And they fled like cowards when China started attacking in Korea. The only wars US has ever fought has been against countries smaller and weaker than itself. It doesn't know what it is like to really have tough battle. China fought against much powerful foes and has made enormous sacrifices. It knows what a total war really is like. Just few thousand casualties and US fled from Vietnam. Even fewer casualties and US is fleeing from Afghanistan against a Taliban that they once called terrorists and now negotiating. This is the nature of US.

Its funny that your own answer about GDP forecast is to use "unknown factors". So you admit that the only thing can prevent a Chinese takeover of Taiwan is China's own GDP weakness. And if they rise to wealthy nation, US can do nothing to stop China no matter what it does.

As I said before, China as a country with 4 times more population than US will not allow US domination of the world any longer. Not just China, the whole world is rising with their own new found nationalism. Turkey is rejecting western domination, Russia is rising again. Everywhere you see the rest of the world becoming industrialized and modernized. This is called the great convergance. The world will not be dominated by a tiny minority of western countries while the rest of the world remains in poverty. Once these countries do modernize, they will ask their true place in the world and end western dominance. This is the inevitable trend of the world. 2 century of western domination has ended.

Orthan said:

That made me laugh. Obviously, the chinese government thinks differently from you.



First, im not dutch, im portuguese. Second, obviously china made a lot of progress since 1995, but in terms of military air and sea capabilities, china continues to be a gnome compared to the US. Third, no, you DONT want to talk about china´s worst mistakes,or do you want me to talk about the great leap forward (in which tens of millions died of starvation) or the cultural revolution ? those are well in the past, but i still remember well Tiananmen Square...

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I don't know why you keep harping on GLF death number that is keep growing over the year to sensationalize the book selling of the fake history.
It was 17 million then grew to 32 million now grew to 72 million maybe next year 100 million They are bogus number.
I tell you where it is all started with US census office Judith Banister who notice the anomaly number of people borne in those year and conclude that there must be million people die in those year But she has no solid proof Then McFarquhar a sinologist picked it in Asian Society journal and spread the lie BTW he latter concede he was working for CIA
The truth is million people die because China suffer one of the worst draught. And yes coupled with bad economic policy resulting in the hunger and starvation But the west and US refused to sell grain because China was under embargo So you guys are complicit in those death too Chinese official account 18 million die mostly because of natural disaster

As to TAM they have one month to clear the square but they didn't want it It is plain and simple insurrection fomented by western NGO to topple CCP
Thailan , Korea gun down much more student than China but the western propaganda media never mention it
Google up Kwangju, Bangkok massacre

Those who have provided qualitative evidence, such as eyewitness accounts cited by Jasper Becker in his famous account of the period Hungry Ghosts, have not provided enough accompanying evidence to authenticate these accounts. Important documentary evidence quoted by Chang and Halliday concerning the Great Leap Forward is presented in a demonstrably misleading way.

Evidence from the Deng Xiaoping regime Mao that millions died during the Great Leap Forward is not reliable. Evidence from peasants contradicts the claim that Mao was mainly to blame for the deaths that did occur during the Great Leap Forward period.

U.S. demographers have tried to use death rate evidence and other demographic evidence from official Chinese sources to prove the hypothesis that there was a “massive death toll” in the Great Leap Forward (i.e. a hypothesis that the “largest famine of all time” or “one of the largest famines of all time” took place during the Great Leap Forward). However, inconsistencies in the evidence and overall doubts about the source of their evidence undermine this “massive death toll” hypothesis.


MacFarquhar stated when questioned by me that:

When I was asked to be the founder editor of the CQ [China Quarterly], it was explained to me that the mission of the CCF was to encourage Western intellectuals to form a community committed to the free exchange of ideas. The aim was to provide some kind of an organizational counter to Soviet efforts to attract Western intellectuals into various front organizations…All I was told about funding was that the CCF was backed by a wide range of foundations, including notably Ford, and the fact that, of these, the Farfield Foundation was a CIA front was not disclosed.

In the 26 January 2006 edition of The London Review of Books MacFarquhar writes of “the 1960 inaugural issues of the China Quarterly, of which I was then the editor.”

He also writes that “secret moneys from the CIA (from the Farfield Foundation via the Congress for Cultural Freedom, the parent of the CQ, Encounter and many other magazines) provided part of the funding for the CQ—something I did not know until the public revelations of the late 1960s.”

Small and weak countries are not going to sanction China for continuing a civil war. US invaded plenty of countries like Iraq or Panama or Granada with the most pathetic reasoning and no one sanction it. You know why? Power, hard power. Don't piss off the superpower and remind them you exist to make their life hard. Because after they finish with Iraq, their eyes turn to you.

Orthan said:

That made me laugh. Obviously, the chinese government thinks differently from you.



First, im not dutch, im portuguese. Second, obviously china made a lot of progress since 1995, but in terms of military air and sea capabilities, china continues to be a gnome compared to the US. Third, no, you DONT want to talk about china´s worst mistakes,or do you want me to talk about the great leap forward (in which tens of millions died of starvation) or the cultural revolution ? those are well in the past, but i still remember well Tiananmen Square...

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I'm pretty sure you aren't Portuguese, you are probably from India.

Si eres portugués contesta a mi anterior comentario, los españoles y los portugueses nos entendemos.

Por cierto, eres retrasado.

BrightFuture said:

I'm pretty sure you aren't Portuguese, you are probably from India.

Si eres portugués contesta a mi anterior comentario, los españoles y los portugueses nos entendemos.

Por cierto, eres retrasado.

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Challenge issued... *MichaelJacksonEatingPopcorn.gif*

Orthan said:

Second, obviously china made a lot of progress since 1995, but in terms of military air and sea capabilities, china continues to be a gnome compared to the US. Third, no, you DONT want to talk about china´s worst mistakes,or do you want me to talk about the great leap forward (in which tens of millions died of starvation) or the cultural revolution ? those are well in the past, but i still remember well Tiananmen Square...

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First of all, any discussion of Tiananmen square is strictly forbidden on this forum per forum rules. Second, what is with you and the tendency to make extremely provocative statements without any substantiation? I have noticed that in every single one of the threads, you throw some flame bait that ends up derailing the whole thread flow. I don't know if you do this intentionally or it is just your nature but either way, it is very frustrating for all of us.

Orthan said:

That made me laugh. Obviously, the chinese government thinks differently from you.



First, im not dutch, im portuguese. Second, obviously china made a lot of progress since 1995, but in terms of military air and sea capabilities, china continues to be a gnome compared to the US. Third, no, you DONT want to talk about china´s worst mistakes,or do you want me to talk about the great leap forward (in which tens of millions died of starvation) or the cultural revolution ? those are well in the past, but i still remember well Tiananmen Square...

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You are as ignorant as any brainwashed westerners. Even before the 80s, the life under PRC is still much much better than any time in at least the 110 years prior to 1949. Just look population growth:

The peak population of the Qing dynasty happens around 1850, growing from around 130 million in 1650 to around 450 million 1850, that's an addition of more than 300 million in 2 centuries in a pre-modernization and pre-industrialization society.
However, from 1850 to 1950, even with all the industrialization and modernization added, the country only went from 450 million to less than 540 million. In the same time frame, countries like Japan and the USA more than doubled their population. This is how devastating Chinese people's lives were before 1949.

The Japanese population grew from 33 million in 1872 to 83 million in 1950, more than 2.5 times in less than 100 years.
The US grew from 23 million in 1850 to more than 151 million in 1950, more than 6.5 times in 100 years.

In comparison, Chinese population grew from 550 million in 1950 to 920 million in 1975, more than doubled in just 25 years. This is how much better Chinese people has improved under the PRC, even before the market reform, in cold hard data. The fertility rate of the Chinese women didn't magically change just because the PRC formed, they gave birth to as many babies as they immediate ancestors did. The only difference is that their babies survived, and the Chinese people's life expectancy increase dramatically.

They only thing they dropped in 1949, is those incompetent governance of the borderline fail-state called the Qing Dynasty and the ROC, which gave them nothing by tragically low life expectancy and infant mortality rate. NO MISHAPS THE PRC EVER DID WAS NEARLY COMPARABLE TO THE HELL UNDER LATE QING DYNASTY AND THE ROC.

Orthan said:

That made me laugh. Obviously, the chinese government thinks differently from you.



First, im not dutch, im portuguese. Second, obviously china made a lot of progress since 1995, but in terms of military air and sea capabilities, china continues to be a gnome compared to the US. Third, no, you DONT want to talk about china´s worst mistakes,or do you want me to talk about the great leap forward (in which tens of millions died of starvation) or the cultural revolution ? those are well in the past, but i still remember well Tiananmen Square...

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You don't know history, nor do you know how much we Chinese people loathe the Western Imperialists and the Japanese invaders, and most of all, the incompetent late Qing dynasty and the ROC. Their incompetence plunged China into a divided lawless country ruled by local warlords, foreign imperialist and their compradors.

As for the Great Leap Forward, only a fool would try to blow this balloon up against China. lol. That was the same time when the US and the USSR (hint hint, Sino-Soviet Split) are both hostile to China, while the ROC remnants in Taiwan are actively preparing for their "Take Back Mainland" military campaign (search 国光计划, aka. Project National Glory, 1961 - 1972). If what you claim as "worst mistake" really was that bad, don't you think the US, ROC and USSR would have taken the chance to invade China? If the PRC really made A HUGE MISTAKE, the country would have fallen back then, under such a hostile environment. This means what you're saying makes no sense at all. Or else, it could mean that us Communist Chinese are such GOD-LIKE people, you Soviets, Americans, and Taiwanese are all scared shitless to even stab and attack us back when we were down and weak., hahahahahaha, lol. That's sarcasm, just in case you didn't recognize.

And those f**kers in 1989 wants to revert China back to a so-called "federation of republics", partitioned and segregated like how China was in the late Qing dynasty and the ROC. How on earth do they not deserve to be crushed!

The reason why your saying makes no sense is because those are not your original thoughts based on careful studies of the real history. They were nothing but anti-PRC propaganda pieces put into your head through media and education.