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Orthan said:

But i only referred formosa as a funny aside, not trying to suggest anything nowadays. Those days are long gone. But it seems that some people in this forum are very sensitive.

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What a cheap shot. Shows you up for what you are. You know very well Taiwan is a subject close to every Chinese's heart. The bloodshed and tears China and Chinese people have to endure from foreigners like yourself over the centuries is immeasurable. Till this day our land is still not united is because of people like you.

Furthermore, let's say if I say something against your countries interest like taking the canary islands and give it to morroco. I think you too would be sensitive.

So please Mr insensitive. Spare us your mocking! It does not become you

Skywatcher said:

While, if he is Dutch, then he's not a very good Dutchman (protip, the Spanish bestowed the sobriquet "Formosa")

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Really don't care where he's come from. Where ever it is, he's the insensitive type.

Gatekeeper said:

What a cheap shot. Shows you up for what you are. You know very well Taiwan is a subject close to every Chinese's heart. The bloodshed and tears China and Chinese people have to endure from foreigners like yourself over the centuries is immeasurable. Till this day our land is still not united is because of people like you.

Furthermore, let's if I say something to goes against your countries interest like taking the canary islands and give it to morroco. I think you too would be sensitive.

So please Mr sensitivity. Spare us your mocking! It does not become you

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The thing with foreigners they will never truly understand the resolve, the mindset of Chinese regarding reunification of the ancestral land. They don't know the history, the culture and the emotional side of it. So talking with them is usually a waste of time. Something I will hardly bother. Not least with trolls.

I think a big Taiwan strait crisis is inevitable before Jan 20 when Trump may or may not leave. DPP and Trump are simply not going to stop in their provocations. China will have to respond with more and more kinetic actions. Whether its missile tests or Flyover or even takeover of Pratas, something big must happen to stop Taiwan and US attempts to Salami slice Taiwan independence.

tamsen_ikard said:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1307166376075784193

I think a big Taiwan strait crisis is inevitable before Jan 20 when Trump may or may not leave. DPP and Trump are simply not going to stop in their provocations. China will have to respond with more and more kinetic actions. Whether its missile tests or Flyover or even takeover of Pratas, something big must happen to stop Taiwan and US attempts to Salami slice Taiwan independence.

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But the problem CCP is not serious enough with the war effort Just like Huawei they squandered a lot of time and money for unrelated effort. Why should they spend 100 billion dollar to support African countries building their infrastructure when they should build hundreds of LHD, LPD, LST I don't understand that
Their military spending is piddling less than 2% of their GDP. Even developing nation spend more than that
Their transport ships can support invasion of Taiwan with only 30LST, 8 LPD that barely enough for 5000 soldiers. And you want to invade Taiwan?

The opposing force notice that that is why they keep ratcheting up the provocation knowing they won't have pay the price
By now they should convert their economy to war economy Put 20% of GDP to produce war material there is no more technological bottle neck to speak
And why some of type 52 D languished for 3 years in the dock When they should hurry up and commission those stupid ship.

The truth is the Chinese bureaucracy are staff with people graduated from the western colleges and they have this mentality of deferring to the west and has defeatist mentality.

Apart of Germany I don't know of any country that reunited peacefully It will never happened You have to take it by force ! All this BS about of peaceful reunification is just a mask to hide their defeatist mentality!
Qin Shihuang where are you?

Let's say in the improbable event that China suddenly allow tw island to be independent, be it in the form as Republic of China or taiwan, ceteris paribus.

What is the US do next? Will the US utilise TW island as a 2nd Okinawa/Guam?

Amassing troops, military bases, and all type of missiles system on tw and pointing them directly onto the opposite shore?

Won't the tension then be even higher though there is no longer any sovereign issue with the island?

And in the event of armed conflict, it won't be a battle of reunification from China's perspective anymore, tw island will be obligated completely.

So be careful about what you wish.

Hendrik_2000 said:

But the problem CCP is not serious enough with the war effort Just like Huawei they squandered a lot of time and money for unrelated effort. Why should they spend 100 billion dollar to support African countries building their infrastructure when they should build hundreds of LHD, LPD, LST I don't understand that
Their military spending is piddling less than 2% of their GDP. Even developing nation spend more than that
Their transport ships can support invasion of Taiwan with only 30LST, 8 LPD that barely enough for 5000 soldiers. And you want to invade Taiwan?

The opposing force notice that that is why they ratchet up the provocation knowing they won't have pay the price
By now they should convert their economy to war economy Put 20% of GDP to produce war material there is no more technological bottle neck to speak
And why some of type 52 D languished for 3 years in the dock When they should hurry up and commission those stupid ship.

The truth is the Chinese bureaucracy are staff with people graduated from the western colleges and they have this mentality of deferring to the west and has defeatist mentality.

Apart of Germany I don't know of any country that reunited peacefully It will never happened You have to take it by force ! All this BS about of peaceful reunification is just a mask to hide their defeatist mentality!

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This is a good point. CCP will avoid war at all cost, unless completely cornered, for example, ROC changes to ROT and US acknowledges it.
And the result of the war wont look handsome, the best result we could see now is maybe taking the island with huge casualty but then suffer maritime blockade for an extended period of time until complete decouple from world economy.
On the other hand, could US risk the failure of defending the island? The chain effect is difficult to predict

getready said:

The thing with foreigners they will never truly understand the resolve, the mindset of Chinese regarding reunification of the ancestral land. They don't know the history, the culture and the emotional side of it. So talking with them is usually a waste of time. Something I will hardly bother. Not least with trolls.

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Precisely, if one is not an ethic Chinese, it is difficult to truly understand the importance of tw issue for the Chinese.

Even Kevin Rudd, often considered the best learnt China expert amongst western political figures, said that all Chinese leaders has an irrational sensitivity when it comes to the issue of taiwan.

caohailiang said:

This is a good point. CCP will avoid war at all cost, unless completely cornered, for example, ROC changes to ROT and US acknowledges it.
And the result of the war wont look handsome, the best result we could see now is maybe taking the island with huge casualty but then suffer maritime blockade for an extended period of time until complete decouple from world economy.
On the other hand, could US risk the failure of defending the island? The chain effect is difficult to predict

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Or let RoT come into existence, then take it back at a later date.

hullopilllw said:

Precisely, if one is not an ethic Chinese, it is difficult to truly understand the importance of tw issue for the Chinese.

Even Kevin Rudd, often considered the best learnt China expert amongst western political figures, said that all Chinese leaders has an irrational sensitivity when it comes to the issue of taiwan.

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it is not irrational sensitivity Taiwan is like corkscrew that bottle up China effort to achieve greatness. With Taiwan gone Japan position will be weaken. With Japan neutralized any effort to contain China will be in vain. Korea will also be neutralized
Right now the geography of China lend itself to be contained