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tamsen_ikard said:
Diplomatic recognition is the biggest thing that is preventing full Taiwan Independence. If Taiwan can simply claim that they are a country and a lot of countries in the world recognize it then its over for China. They will not be able to get Taiwan back. One China policy is the only thing preventing Taiwan Independence.

China must pay a big price to defend One China Policy. They must either break relations with any country that develops relations with Taiwan, including US and Europe, which will lead to complete decoupling between China and US, and massive losses economically. Or they start the takeover of Taiwan through fighting, which has its massive challenges.

No matter how you look at it. This is a big problem for China with no way out. They either give up on Taiwan or start a new cold war and potentially hot war with the west to defend One China policy. The west wants to start a cold and hot war with China. So, they don't care about rising tensions. They welcome it. Taiwan's DPP also welcomes it cause they think it will boost their support.

The only way out for China is pressure Taiwan massively and put the fear of death and destruction on them to back down from this. It must be Taiwan that must stop contacts with the west cause the west will not stop it. They will increase it. So, China must do something to threaten Taiwan now. Its either taking an island or flying directly within Taiwan. If Taiwan stops contact with the west to reduce escalation and shows some pro-China behavior, then things could be good for China. Otherwize, China is in big dilemma of either fighting a war or losing Taiwan for good.
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Highly superficial view.

China is not in any dilemma. China identify herself as the only big power that has yet to complete her sovereign unity:国家的领土主权统一. And thus reunification has been the main theme/cause for their rise all these decades. On that idea, proceed instead to ask the US and allies how much lives and economic cost are they willing to throw away merely for a CAUSE(preventing reunification of china) which otherwise is not even remotely beneficial to them other than to offer a leg up at preserving their fake front of promoting democracy and human rights.(Do US and allies actually really cares about those values? Their actions around the world indicate no).
 
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Orthan said:
For all purposes, taiwan has been an independent country for the last 71 years. The US and the EU sending diplomats to taiwan will change little substancial, IMO.
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Regenade province for 71 years. One that claim to the true China, but losing the power and will to assert own claim for the 12 dash lines in SCS and DiaoYu illegally occupied by Japan.
 
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hullopilllw said:
Highly superficial view.

China is not in any dilemma. China identify herself as the only big power that has yet to complete her sovereign unity:国家的领土主权统一. And thus reunification has been the main theme/cause for their rise all these decades. On that idea, proceed instead to ask the US and allies how much lives and economic cost are they willing to throw away merely for a CAUSE(preventing reunification of china) which otherwise is not even remotely beneficial to them other than to offer a leg up at preserving their fake front of promoting democracy and human rights.(Do US and allies actually really cares about those values? Their actions around the world indicate no).
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It is really naive in thinking Taiwan is a mere moral cause to US, it is NOT, Taiwan has huge strategic value in US attempt to contain China, hence China must prepare for full scale war and long maritime blockade once hostility starts in Taiwan.
Fortunately, that has been in the calculation of Chinese leadership all these years.
 
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caohailiang said:
It is really naive in thinking Taiwan is a mere moral cause to US, it is NOT, Taiwan has huge strategic value in US attempt to contain China, hence China must prepare for full scale war and long maritime blockade once hostility starts in Taiwan.
Fortunately, that has been in the calculation of Chinese leadership all these years.
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Any form of military containment is only needed if the US wants to keep her hegemony.
But when the upkeep cost needed to maintain that overrides the actual interest of the nation, the attitude won't be the same anymore.
It might take some time for the realisation to set in, considering how US has held on to the top-dog title position.
 
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PiSigma said:
No one cares what the Dutch call Taiwan or the straight, there had been Chinese names for this area for 2000+ years. Or are you one of those guys that thinks it's not European name then it don't count?

US can try to "retaliate" but what's their reason?? Why don't the Dutch try to "retaliate" as well? The above two posts are the dumbest thing I have read on this forum for awhile now.
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Im not a dutch. Im portuguese. The portuguese were the first europeans to arrive there in the XVI century and called taiwan "formosa", which means "beautiful". Today, scholars dispute that. See this taiwan article below. But i only referred formosa as a funny aside, not trying to suggest anything nowadays. Those days are long gone. But it seems that some people in this forum are very sensitive.:oops:

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manqiangrexue said:
Territories get taken by force all the time in history
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You must be thinking that this is the XVIII century where countries (even in this case, an unrecognized country) could be conquered and nothing would happen to them because it was the law of the strongest. If china tried to invade taiwan, it would suffer the consequences from not only the US but also the EU, japan, india, etc. Thats why that regarding taiwan, china menaces a lot, but does nothing in the end. And i remember well the 1995-1996 missile crisis which were a total failure for china.

tamsen_ikard said:
May I know why you think China cannot take Taiwan back?
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The US military and economic fallout from the rest of the world isnt reason enough? your 10-30 year GDP forecasts are only theory and are dependent on so many unknow factors, not least believing in todays china´s GDP data. The rest of your post doesnt even merit my comment.
 
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